Today in our funny Bible verses series: Does anyone else find Paul to be a bit passive aggressive? No shade, i just find it funny lol

@1354swrdt

Like i said, i'm not throwing shade. I just found it funny.
There's a difference between judging someone and being amused by them.

But you seem to know something about it. What was the cultural climate that lead to writing people such amusingly passive aggressive *ahem* requests?

I cannot see what is ‘amusingly passive aggressive’ about it. What on earth do you mean? @Pikachu

@1354swrdt
Like when he's writing Philemon about Onesimus and requests that if Onesimus owes anything to charge Paul for it and Paul will pay....except Paul then says "I'll pay it....and i won't even mention that you owe me your very soul!"....which is of course [i]mentioning [/i]it lol.
It's ok if you don't find it funny, i do.

So what was the cultural landscape around that? Was it customary to remind people of what they owe you or that you could technically command them when making a request?

The word ‘mention’ us not in the Greek itself. Paul is writing to a person of importance whose slave Omesimus has run away which of course was a capital offence. Paul is sending him back trusting that Philemon will treat Onesimus as a brother not as a slave. He says that is the slave has wronged him in any way financially he, Paul, will pay it. Then he adds a typical personal touch. He was the one who brought the gospel to Philemon and led him to Christ so that is the debt - ie his very self - Philemon owes him. You have to understand what being a Christian means to understand what it means to have had someone bring you to the Lord. A very personal bond. @Pikachu

@1354swrdt

Yeah i get all that. You can tell just by reading the letter that they were friends. That's why Paul entreats him to treat Onesimus with the same friendship as Paul since he is now a brother in Christ.

Not sure about the exact word "mention" but in every translation i can find Paul is reminding him what he owes...while saying not to worry about it lol.

Like i said, no judgement just funny. We don't have to have the same sense of humour.

But that is because you are judging a first century Jew as a 21st-century American would. Why so many Americans miss so much in the New Testament - they think of it as written by Americans not first century Jews! @Pikachu

@1354swrdt

lol im comfortable with that. I can't very well read it as a 1st century Jew, now can i?
And so it's funny and that's ok, you know? It's ok to find amusement in the bible, have a little fun.

No doubt. The Bible is full of humour. Jesus’ parables for example. Of course the culture gap means we don’t ‘get it’ but it’s quite OK to find humour. God has a sense of humour - he did make you, after all! 😃@Pikachu

@1354swrdt

Agreed! So remember that the next time you chastise humour and merriment as judgment😉

@Pikachu “The One enthroned in heaven laughs; the Lord scoffs at them.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭2:4‬ ‭

@1354swrdt

Well in future let's leave the judgement up to him then, eh Speedy?😉👍

I will if you will.

You were the 1st to start judging in your post. Take to heart the scripture ‘physician heal thy self’ @Pikachu

@1354swrdt

lol my dude, i explicitly stated in my OP that i was not passing judgement, just sharing something that tickled me.
Relax, you'll enjoy life more✌️

I’m enjoying life. Why you guys have this obsession that folk who disagree with you aren’t? PM me as there is more humour in Philemon than you imagine! @Pikachu

@1354swrdt

lol because you get salty over the most innocuous comments, Speedy.
Just lighten up.

I think It’s you who should lighten up because it seems as though when somebody take you to task about something you get wrong you get all offended. You’re so quick to try and defend yourself@Pikachu

@1354swrdt


[quote] when somebody take you to task about something you get wrong you get all offended.[/quote]

😆 Case in point, Speedy.
You can't be wrong about what you find funny but here you are "taking me to task".
lol lighten up.

Well that’s a generalisation of what I find about you. You are very quick to take offence and need to lighten up yourself. But I know you won’t take any notice@Pikachu

@1354swrdt

lol yeah, you entered a thread about something someone found funny to [i]reprimand [/i]them and now giving [i]personality assessments[/i]...
You sound like a happy, chill dude.😆

Point made.
Have a pleasant evening, Speedy🙂

Sorry you are more intent on winning an argument than gaining knowledge so I’ll leave it there. I was hoping to have a chat with you about Onesimus I think you are just intent on putting other people down. Very sad . You are obviously a very insecure personality who finds it very difficult to communicate with other people on a normal level@Pikachu

@1354swrdt Hold it. I thought the Bible is a timeless document with moral guidance that applies to all men, in all places, at all times. But you're saying
[quote] why judge another man writing at a different time period in a different culture?[/quote] So which is it? If we're guilty of "presentism" when judging Bible figures for their support of slavery, shouldn't we take [i]everything[/i] they say with a grain of salt?

Or you just have a soft spot for slavery because you're a white man who hasn't been affected by it?

@Pikachu Heh, you think "Ray" is Speedyman?

I've already proven that isn't his profile photo; his name probably isn't "Ray" either. And dollars to donuts, he's not in the UK.

@LeopoldBloom lol oh it's absolutely him. The pattern of behaviour, the types and form of insult. The self-righteous pretension.
And watch this:

@1354swrdt With God as your witness, did you previously post under the username Speedyman?

Last time i asked him that after he denied being Speedy, he refused to answer lol

@LeopoldBloom

Yeah a bit of a have your cake and eat it too thing there.

@Pikachu Did Speedy stop posting?

The source of his profile photo is hilarious, although that image has been used as an “old guy meme” in other places, so he may have gotten it from one of those.