Creation versus Evolution. Why evolution is not sufficient to prove Bible wrong?

Bible is the holy book of Christians. It is nothing but the word of God.
Christianity should be considered for its historical viability.

We, Christians believe that God created the earth and the universe. Estimated age of earth is ~6000 years old. Some may argue that earth is billions of years old. We can term as old earth theory. But it is illogical to conclude something or question Bible without asking sufficient questions. Often people get carried away by some evidence and come to a conclusion. Evidence should be complemented by logical reasoning.

Everyone agree that Adam and Eve were the first humans created by God. When both Adam and Eve were created did they appear one day old. No. They were created as adults. Conclusions without logical reasoning and asking every possible questions are not sufficient to prove Bible wrong. Remember Bible is nothing but the word of God. Human ideas are also evolving and our science and research is improving day by day. It may not be perfect today but it may be more perfect tomorrow. Improvement is an ongoing process and perfection is never attained. Only God is perfect. Everything else is in transition. We need to ask do cosmology, geology and other sciences have evolved enough to prove Bible wrong? My belief in Jesus, our only savior helps me confidently say that Bible can never be wrong. It may be difficult for many to understand, but belief in God empowers logical reasoning.

About evolutions, can it prove Bible wrong? No. True that living beings may adapt to the environment. Let us agree that adaptations are genetically heritable and it is heritable across different environments. This is just an accumulation of data. That addresses What part of the phenomenon. But logical reasoning enables us to think about how and why ?
Why does genes behave in a particular way way ? Why does it adapt? Was it designed that way ? This is where creation/creator comes into picture. Without asking sufficient questions evolution or transitional forms is an incomplete understanding. Evolution by itself may not stand out, it may need a force to drive it.

The entire life on earth is driven by one force and I need not repeat it!

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canusernamebemyusername · M

Natural selection is the driving force of evolution. 100 years ago Christians never even argued that evolution occurred. The world was a lot more agrarian then and any normal farmer or gardener could tell you that hybrids happened and traits could be selected for. The debate was on what did the selecting in nature where there was no farmer or gardener selecting the traits. Up until then many religious people said God selected the traits.
What made Darwin different is he showed that nature is self organizing and will select its own traits to enhance that covey various benefits for a species in a certain environment.
This naturally upset Christians and they have spent the last hundred years not only fighting against natural selection as the driver but abandoned the idea of evolution altogether and thus do not even know what they are arguing now.
Denying that nature is self organizing in favor of God coming it is the same as saying chemical reactions don't occur naturally but it is God making them react that way.
My question is why would an all powerful all knowing God create a universe that can't function on its on but has to constantly be fixed and repaired or it will just fall apart. Doesn't seem that impressive to me. Making the universe a perpetual motion machine that is self sustaining though is impressive.

SW-User

@canusernamebemyusername

My question is why would an all powerful all knowing God create a universe that can't function on its on but has to constantly be fixed and repaired or it will just fall apart.

You cannot, at one and the same time, argue that Evolution happens and nature is self organizing, and also argue that someone has to constantly fix and repair it.
If evolution happens and nature takes its course, there might be a reason and it all follows the God's perfect plan for us and this universe.

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@SW-User Umm, that’s not what he said. The universe doesn’t need to be fixed or repaired, because there’s no normal functioning... it is what it is. There is no ideal universe. There is no standard towards which the universe strives and against which the universe can be measured. There is no way for it to be broken.

canusernamebemyusername · M

@SW-User I wasn't making the claim that the universe is in constant need of repair. But it is the belief among many Christians I was addressing that seems to imply that God must take an active everyday role or the universe would stop functioning.
From that perspective God seems weak and dumb.
A creator that can make a self organizing universe on the other hand that he doesn't need to constantly prop up seems much more God like.

That would be like giving birth to a child and then having to do the breathing for it. Being able to breathe on its own is a more impressive creation.

ninalanyon · 61-69, T

@canusernamebemyusername

This naturally upset Christians and they have spent the last hundred years not only fighting against natural selection as the driver but abandoned the idea of evolution altogether

It seems to be mostly US Christians who have this behaviour. Plenty of religious people in other countries accept evolution.

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@ninalanyon They tend to accept evolution to a point, but when the religious assertions are revealed as fallacies, they quickly back away, and try to pervert the Theory

For example, the catholics like to say that they accept evolution, but that’s a lie. In reality, the catholic church does not accept the Theory of Evolution.

The catholic church:
1. denies that evolution applies to humans (??!!) No, seriously!!
2. touts what it calls 'theistic evolution'... the unsupported and completely superfluous claim that a magical entity directs evolution in order to support some or other goal i.e. that evolution is both teleological and subject to magic.

Either of those bastardisations mean that whatever it is that they claim to accept, it isn't the theory of Evolution by Natural Selection.

To cover their duplicity, they try to create a straw-man called 'biological evolution’ (is there some other sort?) and to then differentiate that from 'theistic evolution'... in other words, to deliberately create confusion in the minds of the public by foisting upon them a distinction without a difference.

Carazaa · F

@ninalanyon
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🎀 What is the most important is that God the creator of heaven and earth, came to visit us in a manger as a poor child, and took the worlds sins on his own shoulders because he loves us. Evolution, true or not, is less important.

🎄What is most important is that Jesus is coming back to judge the living and the dead, and anyone who reads and studies the Bible daily can see the birth pangs of his coming.

❤️Whether you came from monkeys or not, is irrelevant when you face your creator and have to answer for every unloving thought for eternity, or get a pass and go to heaven for eternity because Jesus, God in the flesh died for your sins.

🤗I pray you have accepted him into your heart and follow him to life everlasting...

ninalanyon · 61-69, T

@Carazaa

I pray you have accepted him into your heart and follow him to life everlasting...

I'm afraid your prayers are in vain.

Carazaa · F

@ninalanyon
🎀 Isaiah 8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the LORD. 9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. 10 As the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and do not return to it without watering the earth and making it bud and flourish, so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater, 11 so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.
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ninalanyon · 61-69, T

@Carazaa No need to shout.

Carazaa · F

@ninalanyon Gods word is IMPORTANT 😁

ninalanyon · 61-69, T

@Carazaa Shouting does not help your case, not here and not in the pulpit.

Carazaa · F

@ninalanyon
Merry Christmas to you 🤗 ⛄🎄🌟

ninalanyon · 61-69, T

@Carazaa And to you! And a Happy New Year.