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So liam neeson, what made you think this story was appropriate for this interview?

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/liam-neeson-interview-rape-trauma-racism-sexism-black-man-revenge-assault-a8764086.html

Having dated an Irish man myself who had an assault charge under his belt for defending the honour of a woman I understand the mindset liam Neeson has. But as I said to my partner, it still doesnt make it right.
Yes there are many people in this world that need to be taught a lesson, and they can walk through life Scot free never paying for their crimes or so we think. But we are not put on this earth to play God! Nor are we here to do God's work through punishing others. With that being said people are so happy to fuel hate, but ask them to show others love and compassion and they'll be recoiling and shrivelling up by the idea.

I will say this, the mindset of liam Neeson I do feel is violent, and I do feel is racist and by far ignorant.
Why because he didn't care who it was that he hurt, which tells me he doesn't view people as individual's, he lumps them all into one. (Because individual's from a group cannot think for themselves or think anything different? ) ignorant because perhaps he didn't have black friends or associations so dehumanizing them all makes it easier to kill one. And thirdly violent because he is showing signs that perhaps he had an underlying anger that he suppressed and perhaps that moment in time was the ammunition he needed to really dish out a good beating.

Now some my view what I have said and disagree but I'll tell you this. My relationship ended because he did think he was above everyone else, he talked about many things whilst we were together and we couldnt see eye to eye. He often talked to me as if I wasnt black but I was alright simply because I was dating him. Blanket terms are racist. And I couldnt stomach it, for much longer, maybe by him being with me made him feel even more of a cut above the rest because interracial dating is still fairly modern and he exceeded the preconceived notions he and his friends had about mixed relationships. Who knows, this isn't about him its about liam Neeson and his anger issues.

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bobby1975 · F

If he said "white male" or "male" it's unlikely anyone would bother discussing it. Likewise if it was a female or a feminist who said it she is likely to be championed.

He spoke and recalled thoughts about his internal reaction to the traumatic event of a friend many years ago. It may be irrational or psychiatric at the time. To say he is a racist based on this past recall of an event is ridiculous

Peppa · 31-35, F

@bobby1975 well then I will have to disagree with you. The fact he sought revenge as a first instinct toward any black make tells me he is racist.
Because hes basically reiterating our insignificance in his world, an individual speaks for all. How would he feel being bludgeoned for a crime he didn't commit just because the rapist of a black female was raped by a white Male?

If he has grown he'd know that again is the very thing black people fear.

I'll voice a different view point, I presume he may have been dressed to not be so recognisable and if angry probably had an aggressive stance. Should that have been a black Male someone would have reported him to the police and if they did approach him would have more than likely searched him on the spot.

Someone mentioned something about white supremacists which I hadn't even contemplated until this very moment but even within his moment of rage he was allowed to sulk and have such dark intentions and go untouched...

bobby1975 · F

@Peppa He is recalling an internal reaction years years ago. He was brave enough and maybe stupid enough (with hindsight) to say it in the present.

as i said if he said "male" or "white male" there would be no discussion.
or if he was female or a feminist.

His thoughts fit preconceived sensitivity agendas and gives material for the thin skinned offended

Just checking is the term "thin skinned" racist now?

Peppa · 31-35, F

@bobby1975 why would thin skinned offend me when it's a term I hear white people use when describing them selves, when pale and very veiny... is that racist?

An internal reaction based upon an ignorant view which if he did succeed in attacking a black man would have been labelled a hate crime...which is defined as.

a crime, typically one involving violence, that is motivated by prejudice on the basis of race, religion, sexual orientation, or other grounds.

bobby1975 · F

@Peppa Firstly there was no crime. Period. Lastly there was no crime.

Secondly, I am checking my "colorful" vocabulary to see if it offends anyone. Not saying you find the term thin skinned racist, i was making a point.

Peppa · 31-35, F

@bobby1975 there was a crime a woman was raped, by what so happened to be a black man, Liam's role was only to console his friend and help her get justice by reporting it to the police.

His crime today is that he talks about being racism as if it is a part of life and something we one day grow out of...

That is not normal nor is it acceptable. And to try and glamorise that as a way to promote a film unfortunately doesnt make him relatable to me and doesnt endear me to his supposed changed view, if anything where I didnt think he was was racist now hes put that in my head. So now hes in the negative pile of people that I dont deal with.

bobby1975 · F

@Peppa I wasnt talking about the rape, which was a crime and its obvious you knew that.

I was talking about the actor. Liam Neeson committed no crime. Period.

Peppa · 31-35, F

@bobby1975 well that was a crime that was committed and just because he didn't actually hurt someone he had the intention to do so. Again very calculated, " I went out with a cosh with the intention of attacking a black man if she started something with me, maybe when leaving the pub..."
Would his sentence have been lighter if he wasnt seen to start the fight despite carrying a weapon...

I think theres a word I'm missing premeditated or something like that...

So yes although he may not of committed a crime that day as we dig deeper into his own words hes painting a very dark picture of himself.

Which tells me he is not someone anyone should associate themselves with...

Thank you,
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bobby1975 · F

@Peppa Again to refute your claim, the actor committed NO crime. You have a duty to words and to facts.

and i go back to my original calculated reply to your visceral recponse:

"If he said "white male" or "male" it's unlikely anyone would bother discussing it. Likewise if it was a female or a feminist who said it she is likely to be championed.

He spoke and recalled thoughts about his internal reaction to the traumatic event of a friend many years ago. It may be irrational or psychiatric at the time. To say he is a racist based on this past recall of an event is ridiculous"

Peppa · 31-35, F

@bobby1975 but you are quite happy to sweep this under the carpet because he didn't actually bludgeon someone to death.

Heres a bit of information for you that he infact could have been prosecuted.

So if he didnt say black bastard and said white Male or male. People would still be questioning him, and his moral compass where some would be saying

I can't fault him.

I've said/thought stupid and wrong stuff in my life. You learn from it.

bobby1975 · F

@Peppa There was no crime. We have established that as you admitted "So yes although he may not of committed a crime".

If he said "white man" or "male" nobody would be discussing it, including you

Peppa · 31-35, F

@bobby1975 no the only crime was the rape, if she was aware of his behaviour he could have been tried for his premeditated attempt at a hate crime.
Also this would still be discussed because he has discussed the vows and violence of northern Ireland which of course he relates to crimes of the world so yes he would still be topic for discussion, it's just alerted some due to his racism.

bobby1975 · F

@Peppa we have agreed that that only crime was the rape. If the rapist said what Neeson said likely she would be applauded.

He was giving his recall of a traumatic event of a friend and his though reaction from years ago. That description of a recalled event does not constitute a crime and on the basis of that alone does not make him racist.

I'm not sure what part of the facts arent getting through to you.

Peppa · 31-35, F

@bobby1975 well the next time a black celebrity person starts referring to white males as white bastards and wanting to attack them simply because they couldnt attack the white male that afflicted them or someone they loved I shall wait to see you look on in silence and perhaps a smile on your face.

bobby1975 · F

@Peppa Women do this all the time about males in general and nobody makes a ruckus.

What the actor said was based upon a reaction to a traumatic event and was a recall from years ago. he recognized it wasn't right. That doesn't make him a racist. Its a knee jerk reaction to arrive at that conclusion.

In counselling sessions people often reveal dark thoughts to me and that doesnt make them a criminal or sexist or racist.
Further, i agree that its common place to demonize subsets of society or communities and i dont condone that.

Peppa · 31-35, F

@bobby1975

Women do this all the time about males in general and nobody makes a ruckus

really how so exactly?

Like I said to the 9thers repeating yourself over and over is not going to change my view on this. It's a bullying tactic and whichever angle you come at me with will not change that. I have broken down what he has said and expressed my views. You dont have to agree with them at no point during my post did I state you or anyone else. Needed to agree with me. I also said in my original post

Now some my view what I have said and disagree but I'll tell you this. My relationship ended because he did think he was above everyone else, he talked about many things whilst we were together and we couldnt see eye to eye. He often talked to me as if I wasnt black but I was alright simply because I was dating him. Blanket terms are racist. And I couldnt stomach it, for much longer, maybe by him being with me made him feel even more of a cut above the rest because interracial dating is still fairly modern and he exceeded the preconceived notions he and his friends had about mixed relationships. Who knows, this isn't about him its about liam Neeson and his anger issues.

so should you continue to feel the need to reiterate what you are saying I shall do the same.

His attempt to lump all black people together as the same for one persons crime makes them ignorant, and to want to attack whatever black "bastard" makes him racist.

racist a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

Even if he were to discuss this in the comfort and safety of a therapy session still makes his views racist.

Even if noone else can hear. Just like the ge old argument about the tree in the forest if noone can hear it.

The basic principle is something like a tree crashing to the ground makes a sound regardless if I'm there or you're there to hear it.

Anger or rage or not, his notions were the act of a hate crime against a black man.

It's the same principle like when people leave bombs in places that dont detonate the aim is to create fear which is an act of terror.

So your like for Neeson and his films may continue to make you view him a particular was but if he wasnt wrong for thinking the way he did he wouodnt have been saying how horrible it was or the lesson he learned.

Being in the public eye I'd what changes this all, and he has a duty fo be more selective of the things he feels to share or at least how he tells them especially if he wants the to have a positive impact on others.

bobby1975 · F

Facts are not bullying. Playing victim is common place, but not a defense.
Because facts offend you or you interrupt them with preconceived ideas, still doesn't make them any less important or factual

(1) as you said yourself, no crime was committed
(2) recall of a thought process years and years ago, doesnt make a man racist in the present day.

What other evidence supports your opinion that Neeson is racist?
Its likely this was a recall of a thought response to the trauma of seeing his friend going through a trauma or perhaps a failed attempt at virtue signalling in the interview.

I'm not a Neeson fan, actually I personally think he overacts. Truth is what I like.

Peppa · 31-35, F

@bobby1975 I stated facts. I gave you definitions written within the dictionary which he clearly demonstrated which you fail to acknowledge because you feel is justified. I even extracted a fact about law in regards to him possibly facing a charge if he had of been caught on one of those many days which you fail to acknowledge which is what they use in many occasions against terror suspects who have the intent to cause terror but don't quite succeed. So although he wasn't caught he set upon a premeditated crime.

I also showed you that he is a dangerous character because he calculated that situation, so if he were to be tried he'd be looked at favourably especially for that period of time when the criminal justice was and TBH is still more favourable towards white males.
(He waited for a black man to have a go at him first)
His delivery of this trauma further doesn't sound like he has changed his views and if you think referring to a person criminal or not a "black bastard" is acceptable you yourself have warped views. So I'm more than happy to keep copying and pasting this response but I have something to do. If you wish I will respond at times that are more appropriate to me but we can keep going over this for as long as you like.

bobby1975 · F

@Peppa
You do know this happened 40 years ago?

you do know the rape happened to a good friend (who is now dead) and his inappropriate response could be linked to the anger he felt at that time?

you do know he explained his response was for revenge (not an unusual human response - inappropriate to blame innocents accepted)

you do know he was recalling these events 40 years later and said it was primal urge and it shocked him and he did seek help at the time?

You know he was about 25 and was brought up during a war where there was a lot of anger and hostility?

You do know he said he would have done the same if it was an irish or a scot man or a brit or a lituanian?

you do know that he was contextualizing an incident from 40 years ago in the context of his recent movie about revenge?

you do know he has said he is not racist?

If you are so willing to accept and judge him on his words about a 40 year old event, perhaps you are willing to accept his current statement that he is not racist

I believe it is easy for you to just label him "racist", because thats just a lazy default.

Peppa · 31-35, F

You do know I'm not stupid.

You do know that I understand what anger does to a person.

You do know I acknowledged his behavior, and I said so Also in regards to my ex.

You do do that his primal urge was to bludgeon an innocent black man because he took a angry racist approach to dealing with the situation.
I'm glad he sought help!!!

You do know that just because of your circumstances it does mean you can do better.

You do know that by making a statement doesn't change his ignorance or change my view on his racism simply because why does the persons race change the fact that this person was a violent rapist and how does that mean that every or any person from that same race deserves to be attacked as a consequence of not being able to attack that one person.

Even if his film is about revenge his personal situation didn't actually need to be approached the way he did which he even questioned him self for during the interview "god forbid"

And just because you might say you are not racist if you're actions show signs of racism then you are a racist.
And his behavior was the actions of an ignorant racist who is attempting to justify his lack of life and experience.

It's far from a lazy default I listened could still hear the hurt in his voice, I also heard his delivery on the black bastard and I also heard his shame that followed his God forbid statement.

Knowing he is a calculating man I don't dismiss he back tracked and calculated how this could be interpreted.

And if what I'm saying is so lazy why have they cancelled premieres?

bobby1975 · F

You do know I'm not stupid.
you are asking me to take you at face value

You do know that I understand what anger does to a person.
i dont know that in particular

You do know I acknowledged his behavior, and I said so Also in regards to my ex.
so you accept your own experience plays a role in your approach. so the actors experience from 40 years ago did and he acknowledged that it was wrong

You do do that his primal urge was to bludgeon an innocent black man because he took a angry racist approach to dealing with the situation.
I'm glad he sought help!!!
his primal urge was anger and that he said it would be similar if it were an irish or a scot or a brit or a lituanian

You do know that just because of your circumstances it does mean you can do better. absolutely and i believe he is a perfect example of a man who HAS done better

You do know that by making a statement doesn't change his ignorance or change my view on his racism simply because why does the persons race change the fact that this person was a violent rapist and how does that mean that every or any person from that same race deserves to be attacked as a consequence of not being able to attack that one person.
he accpeted his ignorance from 40 years ago. and again he has clearly pointed out if it was an irish or a scot or a brit or a lithuanian he would have done the same. anger and stupidity was the mode

Even if his film is about revenge his personal situation didn't actually need to be approached the way he did which he even questioned him self for during the interview "god forbid"
he was giving his experience, similar to how you gave your experience of your ex.

And just because you might say you are not racist if you're actions show signs of racism then you are a racist.
And his behavior was the actions of an ignorant racist who is attempting to justify his lack of life and experience.
his actions of 40 years ago were through anger and stupidity and he has clearly stated he is NOT a racist. his action as he said would have been focussed towards an irish or a scot or a brit or a lithuanian

It's far from a lazy default I listened could still hear the hurt in his voice, I also heard his delivery on the black bastard and I also heard his shame that followed his God forbid statement.

Knowing he is a calculating man I don't dismiss he back tracked and calculated how this could be interpreted.

And if what I'm saying is so lazy why have they cancelled premieres?

they cancelled the premiere because of political correctedness of which the world has gone made on and which social justice warrors thrive upon and move onto the next thing that smells of offence

Peppa · 31-35, F

@bobby1975 so you cannot take my words at face value but you chose to take his.
Until today we weren't aware of this in his private life and we ate not aware of his day to day behaviour since so to take what he has said is a choice you made just because it suits you that he said he would do the same if the person were Brit Scot Lithuanian Irish. Funnily enough all races of people that have conflict with each other...

You can continue to pick apart more but my opinions still stand and they are not changing. So I wish you a good evening. I'm done with this tonight but should you respond I will get back to you.
Tata darling

bobby1975 · F

@Peppa I never said I was or was not taking you at face value.

Just Remember and don’t forget he said if it was an Irish or a Scot or a Brit or a Lithuanian he would have done the same.

He has acknowledged the depravity of his thoughts from 40 years ago. It’s a human story like it or not. He rightfully sought help at the time.

Those narratives of reality don’t fit comfortably with the social justice warriors and their visceral hate.