So liam neeson, what made you think this story was appropriate for this interview?

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/liam-neeson-interview-rape-trauma-racism-sexism-black-man-revenge-assault-a8764086.html

Having dated an Irish man myself who had an assault charge under his belt for defending the honour of a woman I understand the mindset liam Neeson has. But as I said to my partner, it still doesnt make it right.
Yes there are many people in this world that need to be taught a lesson, and they can walk through life Scot free never paying for their crimes or so we think. But we are not put on this earth to play God! Nor are we here to do God's work through punishing others. With that being said people are so happy to fuel hate, but ask them to show others love and compassion and they'll be recoiling and shrivelling up by the idea.

I will say this, the mindset of liam Neeson I do feel is violent, and I do feel is racist and by far ignorant.
Why because he didn't care who it was that he hurt, which tells me he doesn't view people as individual's, he lumps them all into one. (Because individual's from a group cannot think for themselves or think anything different? ) ignorant because perhaps he didn't have black friends or associations so dehumanizing them all makes it easier to kill one. And thirdly violent because he is showing signs that perhaps he had an underlying anger that he suppressed and perhaps that moment in time was the ammunition he needed to really dish out a good beating.

Now some my view what I have said and disagree but I'll tell you this. My relationship ended because he did think he was above everyone else, he talked about many things whilst we were together and we couldnt see eye to eye. He often talked to me as if I wasnt black but I was alright simply because I was dating him. Blanket terms are racist. And I couldnt stomach it, for much longer, maybe by him being with me made him feel even more of a cut above the rest because interracial dating is still fairly modern and he exceeded the preconceived notions he and his friends had about mixed relationships. Who knows, this isn't about him its about liam Neeson and his anger issues.

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SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M

It's absolutely ridiculous that him telling a story, and describing his feelings about something that happened to him, is being interpreted as anti black violence and propaganda, when again, he is describing something that he felt. He didn't do anything but tell a story.

Also, here you are complaining about this and calling him out for being racist and ignorant, while you yourself are stereotyping and assuming you know what's in his heart.

I will say this, the mindset of liam Neeson I do feel is violent, and I do feel is racist and by far ignorant.

Step back and look at the larger picture. You are being manipulated, but because it is gratifying to you to hear and believe such things, you are fine with it.

Magenta · F

@SumKindaMunster Indeed. And I'm sure most of us humans have had bad thoughts we never act(ed) on.

Peppa · 31-35, F

@SumKindaMunster I am not stereotyping nor am I assuming. I made my views clear that he was wrong at that time, and I believe he is wrong today for rehashing it. If he has changed he would know that something like that wouldn't be taken very well. All I can say is I don't know what his film synopsis is because I didn't stand to listen beyond that segment or the interview. Maybe you can argue that I've missed a valid point but I'm not interested even when he was telling the story he still referred to the black man as a black bastard as if that's an acceptable way to talk about anyone. Yes I know in more recent days I've used such disgusting words to describe someone because I wanted to reiterate my rage through writing that despite turning the other cheek to a particular persons beliggersnt behaviour ye still insistd on his conduct and I have addressed an issue with him face to face also.
As for my ex partner as I mentioned although he dated me and seemed ok as the relationship developed all his anger seemed to be directed at people of colour and his choice of words to describe them also very colourful and incredibly distasteful, he often felt the need to tell me he had befriended one who was always in a sticky situation, only to be insulting them and simply because he offered them cash he knew they couldnt pay back. Did that make him a nice person, when he would be insulting and was then able to make statements like " it's too be expected its typical for...!"

If all my partner told me who was of a similar age to Neeson and from the same area in Ireland told ehat it was like growing up, they have racist views instilled in them and although he may not think his behaviour isn't racist its inherent and they are conflicted constantly. His story just reiterated that...

Because in time if I hear a black female friend were raped by a white Male it would justify me going out with a cosy to attack any white Male?

I mean history shows white males having done so especially during slavery...

SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M

@Peppa @Peppa

I am not stereotyping nor am I assuming

Nonsense, that's exactly what you are doing. You are judging Neeson based on a short interview that in your own words, you

I didn't stand to listen beyond that segment or the interview.

But you know enough from this one brief segment of an interview to judge Neeson:

I will say this, the mindset of liam Neeson I do feel is violent, and I do feel is racist and by far ignorant.

Additionally, because you dated a person, who in your mind, was similar to Neeson, you use that personal experience to judge Liam Neeson.

Finally, this statement has nothing to do with what is being discussed but I guess you can't stop yourself from whining about something that happened in the past that you can't get over. It's a non sequitor and a diversionary tactic:

Because in time if I hear a black female friend were raped by a white Male it would justify me going out with a cosy to attack any white Male?

I mean history shows white males having done so especially during slavery...

Peppa · 31-35, F

@SumKindaMunster so if he has changed, what exactly was he changing his views and opinion on?

And his behaviour was violent, I don't know anyone that thinks its acceptable to take the law into their own hands and go out with a cosh to bludgeon another person, over seeking the help of the police, do you?

Nor do I know anyone that would pick anyone of the same race to seek revenge over to get justice, they'd more likely seek the specific individual.

And by attacking someone from the same race what exactly does that prove?

His mindset towards black men has to stem from somewhere?

Whereas I am not racist and I am not ignorant. But if I was my reasoning wouldnt be right but I'm sure some paid psychiatrist would be able to justify it.

As rape was a part of the "conditioning" placed on black people throughout slavery to reassert their power and maintain a divide in ranks.

Document in the very books white men wrote, I mean black people had no education or book publishing rights to be able to print such things...

So what was the point you were trying to make again?

SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M

@Peppa

so if he has changed, what exactly was he changing his views and opinion on?

I never said he changed. That is not the point and it is offensive to me that you choose to be willfully ignorant.

My point, since you asked, is that YOU are behaving poorly and judging someone you do not know based on a highly selected and contrived piece of media(the interview you watched) and I am calling you out for engaging in discriminatory and stereotyping behavior about someone you do not know other than what was presented to you by the media.

The rest of your comments are completely beside the point, and only serve to further reinforce the impression that you are an indoctrinated fool, enjoying and reveling in propaganda that reinforces your worldview and validates your biases.

Peppa · 31-35, F

@SumKindaMunster well what exactly was the relevance of telling this story?
Or the moral that came from this?

Because I'm ill advised and too uneducated to understand what he has said why don't you explain this to me?

SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M

@Peppa I already have. You have been indoctrinated to express hate and disdain for a person who you don't know other than through what has been presented to you by the media.

If you want a lesson to take home, its not to believe everything the media tells you and to ask yourself "Who or what does this story benefit? What point is being made by the constant outrage on a story about a man's feelings regarding a loved one suffering a violent assault? Why does this story trigger me? What buttons are the media pushing inside me right now? Is this truly how the world is?"

Peppa · 31-35, F

@SumKindaMunster I didnt read the guardians article. I specifically listen to what liam Neeson said which came from his own mouth. The only way anyone knew this story was by him discussing it. So please tell me, how that's media tainting it. If later you're starting the media are printing this like racist liam set out to bludgeon black make the faid enough but I didnt hear that.

When he spoke about having walked up and down with a cosh hoping someone would approach him he said he was ashamed to say that.
He goes on to say "it was horrible, it was horrible to think I did that, Ive never admitted that."

"It was horrible and I never talked about this before but I'm talking about it to a journalist, God forbid!"

"But I did learn a lesson from it,"

To which he discusses northern Ireland and the troubles so at which point was I misinformed, making indoctrinated comments serve to perpetrate in revelling in propaganda that reinforces my my worldview and validate my biases?

Furthermore he talk about revenge leading to killing and more of the same, northern Ireland being proof of it and what's going on in the world. Surely this was representative of his notions to show remorse for his previous behaviour...

In future I feel you should listen to the evidence given. And although he may be viewing life and the world differently, because hes grown he is admitting to a very closed mind set that perpetuates and ignorant and in this case very racist behaviour.

SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M

@Peppa

I specifically listen to what liam Neeson said which came from his own mouth. The only way anyone knew this story was by him discussing it

So you met him personally and spoke to him about this or did you view this on the internet or TV? We both know you watched the interview through a media company, so again, you only saw what they wanted you to see. When I say "media" I am referring to any organization that discusses the issue, not just the original article in the Guardian.

o at which point was I misinformed, making indoctrinated comments serve to perpetrate in revelling in propaganda that reinforces my my worldview and validate my biases?

Right here in your comments and responses to me for reasons I've already explained.

In future I feel you should listen to the evidence given. And although he may be viewing life and the world differently, because hes grown he is admitting to a very closed mind set that perpetuates and ignorant and in this case very racist behaviour.

No, sorry I'm not going to do that. I am going to listen, sure, but I don't take things presented by the media at face value. I will interpret them through what I already know about the world we live in right now.

How did you first hear about this? Are you a big Liam Nesson fan? Or did you hear of it through the ongoing media campaign surrounding this issue? That's a sure sign the issue is distorted and being presented to you through a narrative bias.

Again, though, you appreciate that bias because it lets you sit back and judge everyone else and allow you to continue to believe your own worldview and feel satisfied that your beliefs are "correct" and people like Liam Neeson are wrong and deserve your shame and scorn.

Peppa · 31-35, F

@SumKindaMunster I'm glad you agree with me

SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M

@Peppa Not at all, and you certainly know that I don't.

But hey, if that's your response, so be it. Maybe you can send me a postcard from the state of denial.

Peppa · 31-35, F

@SumKindaMunster ha! After all this I'm sure you'd rather a personal visit.