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Afghanistan - ‘an extraordinary success’?

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We now have an American president who wants us to completely change the meaning of words in that the completely bungled evacuation of Afghanistan is now hailed as an extraordinary success. The fact that lives were lost, millions of dollars of valuable equipment were left behind in the hands of very dangerous terrorists, the lives of men women and children who are left behind our risk, and the place is again to become a hotbed of terrorism to the world, is ‘an extraordinary success’? It was an extraordinary success- for those gunmen who are parading their stuff in Kabul knowing they have completely humiliated America and it’s weak, bungling president

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Northwest · M

You seem to be a little confused.

That top picture is of an Afghan sitting in a helicopter that's been rendered useless by the 82nd Airborne prior to leaving Afghanistan. He can push all the buttons he wants, but that thing is not going anywhere.

What is it that you believe was bungled during the evacuation?

Close to 123,000 were evacuated in about two weeks. That included 6,000 Americans.

The Pentagon said that an investigation will be conducted to determine why, given the fact that the US was well aware that a suicide attack was planned for the day it occurred and they knew exactly which gate, there were US casualties. All Americans had been warned not to come to the airport that day. The President talked about it multiple times two days before it happened.

This was tragic, and needs to be investigated but it's an operational screw up, rather than an executive one, though I doubt anyone will be disciplined, just as was the case on October 23rd 1983 in Beirut.

I would agree though, Afghanistan was a disaster. A twenty year long disaster. It was time for us to leave and there was no way to execute a clean exit. To suggest otherwise is playing politics.

And yes, we spent a lot on the Afghan National Army. The small arms and vehicles you see out there, were either handed to the Taliban by the Afghan National Army, or those are ex Afghan National Army who defected. There's not much anyone could have done about it. That is unless someone has a time machine, to go back 20 years, and not engage in a futile exercise of nation building.

Stop playing politics, and acknowledge that even if Trump was President, we would have pulled out of Afghanistan and it would not have gone flawlessly. It's like falling in a mud pit. You're not going to emerge clean.

Coolkid77 · 31-35, M

@Northwest You're missing the point that they're still thousands of Americans still trapped there and will probably die thanks to Biden. Trump had a much better plan that would've worked better, but could have a bit different outcome. Trump wouldn't ignore his military generals. Instead we got woke generals.

Northwest · M

@Coolkid77 [quote]You're missing the point that they're still thousands of Americans still trapped there and will probably die thanks to Biden. [/quote]

I see what the problem is. You're regurgitating fake news. There are probably up to 200 US citizens in Afghanistan. These are dual citizens, who chose to be there.

For instance, there are dozens of California students, who were taken by their parents (Afghan refugees), to Afghanistan for summer vacation.

Everyone was notified to get the hell out, and those left behind chose not to. The State department was working around the clock to locate and evacuate. You should really get yourself educated on what actually happened.

Nevertheless, the administration promises to continue its efforts to get those who want out, back to the US.

[quote]Trump had a much better plan that would've worked better, but could have a bit different outcome.[/quote]

Pleas, enlighten me. What was the Trump plan that would have worked better. That is other than his claim to have had a better plan. I will wait.

[quote]Trump wouldn't ignore his military generals. Instead we got woke generals.[/quote]

You do know that these are the exact same generals that served under the former commander-in-chief, right? You also do realize that the tactical plan was not done by Biden, right? It was done by the same Generals.

Military generals? You mean they're not salvation army generals?

Coolkid77 · 31-35, M

@Northwest Can you prove to me only 200 are still there? Biden Admin lies constantly about what's going on there. True and that's their problem they decided to go that shit country. I know what happened. I know someone in Military that was at the airport. Where did you get your highly educated information? I find that hard to believe Biden will continue to rescue Americans.

First you get ALL AMERICANS out. Second you move all the vehicles and weapons. 3rd, you move the troops out. Last, you blow up the bases. That's Trumps plan.

The Woke Generals fighting white people you mean? Probably not Salvation Amry generals.

Northwest · M

@Coolkid77 The state department and Pentagon provided these numbers. The plan to continue helping those who want to get out has been in the news for days. You should try something other than Fox.

What you believe is not reality. Let's take the alleged Trump plan, as detailed by you.

1. Evacuate Americans. 2. Destroy equipment. 3. Military leaves.

The military and state department did exactly that.

Oh, I see. You were not aware that Trump reduced the military in Afghanistan to 2500 following his signed agreement with the Taliban? Biden more than doubled that number in the week leading up to the evacuations. This was followed by evacuating those who wanted to be evacuated. Then all our equipment was destroyed, then we left.

You should really get yourself informed. Or do you somehow believe Trump would have done all that by May 1st per his commitment to the Taliban.

Grvstu · 70-79, F

You appear to be confused. The black hawk flying over Kabul was seized by the Taliban @Northwest

Northwest · M

@Grvstu [quote]You appear to be confused. The black hawk flying over Kabul was seized by the Taliban[/quote]

Try again

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/08/31/fact-check-video-doesnt-show-taliban-hanging-someone-us-helicopter/5668864001/

The Taliban have no pilots. Afghan National Army pilots flew all airworthy planes to neighboring countries.

Nevertheless, this would have been an Afghan plane, NOT a US plane. You don't seem to understand the difference. Once more that top image you posts is of a US helicopter that was disabled the the 82 Airborne before they departed Kabul on Aug 30.

Read all about it here:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-military-disables-scores-of-aircraft-before-leaving-kabul-airport/

Grvstu · 70-79, F

It was a Black Hawk helicopter captured from the Afghan army. Afghanistan he’s not big in producing Black Hawk helicopters@Northwest

Northwest · M

@Grvstu [quote]Sorry wrong information. It was a Black Hawk helicopter captured from the Afghan army[/quote]

Sorry, you're still confused. The Taliban have NO pilots and there have been no reported cases of pilots defecting. Read the story in the link.

Even if this was a plane that belonged to the Afghan National Army, it is theirs and we had no access to it following the Trump troop draw down to 2,500 troops, which was maintained at the same level by Biden until he raised it to 6,000 to conduct the evacuation.

Grvstu · 70-79, F

You are the one who is confused as the Black Hawk was piloted by an Afghan. Stop reading the liberal press. It was part of the Taliban parade of triumph. Of course this won’t make made it into the liberal media in America who blindly support Biden.

Just happens that the British press is better informed@Northwest

Northwest · M

@Grvstu [quote]was piloted by [b]an Afghan[/b][/quote]

The story I quoted is from USA Today and an Afghan does not mean a Taliban.

The Taliban have NO pilots.

Grvstu · 70-79, F

USA Today. I quoted from Daily Telegraph. We do have nedia here who don’t suck up to your president@Northwest

Northwest · M

@Grvstu [quote]USA Today. I quoted from Daily Telegraph. We do have nedia here who don’t suck up to your president[/quote]

Yet you provided no link, I provided a link.

BTW, it seems as if you're still confused. Biden is the President of the USA, not just my President. Get used to it.

Grvstu · 70-79, F

I know what I read, I know Biden is the president of the USA elected by an electorate deceived by the liberal media that he was not up to the job. @Northwest

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pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M

@Grvstu He is president because he was the alternative to TRUMP and the majority of people did not want Trump.... People rarely vote for a president they more often vote AGAINST one... Biden is better than Trump - because he is not Trump... any one with a pulse would have been better than Trump - indeed I would have preferred a corpse over Trump... That is how bad a buffoon he was.... and what a lier... and cheat... Stormy Daniels on Melania... what a bunch of dweebs... idiot can't keep his Zipper done up...

Grvstu · 70-79, F

Well you have a corpse ! To be honest on foreign policy Trump did some pretty good things. Just Bden messes everything but everything up@pdqsailor1

Northwest · M

@Grvstu [quote]I know what I read, I know Biden is the president of the USA elected by an electorate deceived by the liberal media that he was not up to the job. [/quote]

I'm sure you think this makes sense, but it really does not.

Being honest with yourself is the first step toward reality. It happens every single time, when I try to have a facts-based conversation with a Trump disciple. I quote sources and they immediately resort to "liberal media", despite the fact that I try to stay away from these sources.

The fact is that you have no facts.

[quote] To be honest on foreign policy Trump did some pretty good things. [/quote]

To be honest, you're regurgitating propaganda. What kind of pretty good things did Trump accomplish when it comes to foreign policy? And back the "honest" part up by something other than "I know what I read".

Northwest · M

@pdqsailor1 [quote]and the majority of people did not want Trump[/quote]

The only factual thing you proposed.

I will be damned, you figured out how democracy works.

As to lies:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/

tindrummer · M

@Coolkid77 Like Jean you are so wrong about so much - sad.

Grvstu · 70-79, F

The poor guy is brainwashed by liberal media so don’t listen to him@tindrummer

Northwest · M

@Grvstu [quote]The poor guy is brainwashed by liberal media so don’t listen to him[/quote]

I'm sure you have better sources. Please cite them.

tindrummer · M

@Northwest Good luck with that. 😂