Do you believe in God?

@Musicman What caused creation then?

@JimboSaturn God of course.

@Musicman Where did God come from?

@JimboSaturn When you meet Him you can ask Him.

@Musicman My point is, you scoff at the idea of something coming from nothing like the big bang because their must be a creator, a "first mover", but then you ignore your own logic and say that God just came from nothing. It's a logic that shoots itself in the foot.

@JimboSaturn You make absolutely no sense.

@Musicman On the contrary, my argument is completely sound.

@JimboSaturn Completely unsound with absolutely no basis to back it up. I truly feel sorry for you.

@Musicman the big bang is a key reason to believe in God

@Musicman How so? Don't feel sorry for me. I'm not trying to insult you, I just want you to explain to me how you can scoff at the idea of the universe coming from nothing in a big bang but not at the idea of God coming from nothing.

You don't have to answer, just curious.

@JimboSaturn The idea of some bang forming everything is far beyond ridiculous that it's laughable. Perfectly round planets, the sun, water, land, trees, birds, animals, man. I would just love to hear how a bang made all of that. Then I'll sell you some firecrackers so you can start your own universe.

@Musicman So you just can't imagine how the universe can be as it is naturally. Ok. You still didn't really answer my question, but that is ok.

I'll take your firecrackers and trade you with some science books.

@Musicman I honestly do believe in the Big Bang theory but I also believe in the creator

@LireaSemaji All the things he wonders how they were made have all being perfectly explained by science.

@JimboSaturn No they haven't. Please stop spreading lies.

@Musicman LOL!
Planets are spheres due to gravity. Once a celestial body achieves a certain mass, gravity pulls all the matter to the center causing it to be round.

The sun was caused when a cloud of hydrogen coalesed and it got so big the gravity pulled the hydrogen together so tight and hot that they fused for spark the ignition for nuclear fusion for stars.

All the elements of the universe where formed in stars by this process of nuclear fusion.

The origins of life are not clear, but evolution describes how organisms changed over large periods of time to form the diversity of life we see today.

These are facts and not lies.

@JimboSaturn
The Big Bang has fostered lies and now that the evidence came back from Gaia data round three and JWST confirming these findings that contradict the very basis of Big Bang starting with the concept that the universe is NOT expanding as previously imposed by science of the 20th century. I enjoy science but only when it is critically reviewed and the Big Bang theory is not holding its water. Even Roger Penrose is conceding that one bang couldn’t explain the rarification patterns that are seen in the Cosmic Microwave Background commonly relied to back up the Big Bang.

@Pfuzylogic No one lied about the big bang, why? Science is robustly peer reviewed. However, the claim that JWST found otherwise is a lie!

Please read below:
https://www.space.com/james-webb-space-telescope-didnt-break-big-bang-explained#:~:text=Recently%2C%20researchers%20took%20a%20more%20careful%20look%20at,Webb%20Space%20Telescope%20never%20disproved%20the%20Big%20Bang.

You got fed some misinformation from people who don't really know science.

@JimboSaturn https://www.space.com/james-webb-space-telescope-science-denial

Here is how that misinformation went viral.

@Zonuss Atheist don't believe in God because there is no evidence. It is perfectly logical. NOW believing in something with no evidence but faith, is very illogical.

@JimboSaturn If you have never experienced the supernatural then you cannot comprehend anything beyond your experience.

@Zonuss I used to be religious so yes I felt transendental experiences. What you "feel" is not fact. I'm not interested in how things make me feel but what is the truth. And because you can't explain something, that doesn't mean it's supernatural. That argument is called "the God of the gaps" . It's human nature, we would rather have a bad explanation than no explanation at all.

@JimboSaturn False. A supernatural experience isn't based off feelings.
I'm talking about seeing things out in the open with your own eyes. People like you only downplay it because you can't comprehend what that is like. You cannot think past your conscious mind. ☺

@Zonuss Feelings come from our minds not the supernatural. Claiming it is different is circular logic. Anything that I cannot explain, I simply say "I can't explain that". I don't turn to the supernatural, or aliens, or fairies , or leaperchauns, that would be illogical.