Dan Barker's atheist speech

After seeing the John Lennox speech i clicked on the atheist rebuttal or response and it's a little more compelling to me, and i find it more of a relief if God doesn't exist, all that drama that requires therapy afterwards, all just a parable, wasn't actually so. But it's never and never should be all decided by one speech .... one needs to be willing to hear both sides and be serious about it, see it as a problem that humanity has been engaged in since time began almost, or since people were talking with each other. How it all relates to you personally, be more engaged, one fault i find with Dan is that he blames faith for not being what faith is clearly not, faith is what Kierkegaard described as a leap, you don't really know if your leap is gonna result in landing safely, or falling to your demise. But here it is, make of it as you will but no matter what your position is, take these things seriously, i mostly tell myself that, and develop an appreciation for different points of view, that is what this world needs nowadays more than ever, and stop being so attack oriented when you hear someone who thinks differently.

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compare the 2 by listening to Mr. Lennox

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redredred · M

Lennox’s argument, such as it is, stands on two legs; something cannot come from nothing and the universe must be rational and subject to human reason.

Let’s consider the first of these. All of what there is can be divided into one of two quantities, “something” and “nothing”. From where else could “something” come from but from “nothing”?

The second leg is much simpler to deny. By what measure is human reason necessarily competent to understand the universe and bend it to our reason? My dog doesn’t understand the electrical systems my house yet it provides him with both light and heat. Human logic and reason is impressive; to other humans. It may well be a puny tool with which to understand the universe. Lennox’scmplaint may well be more due to our innate inability to see through what he sees as contradictions or illogical conclusions.

It should be noted that the human brain is, at least so far, incompetent to fully understand the human brain itself. Bronze age fables and immaterial sky-daddies seem like a cheap way out in arriving at answers to difficult questions or resolving great. Omplexity.