Dan Barker's atheist speech

@Adstar True, for me though there is continual unrest within.

@SW-User That is probably the Holy Spirit trying to move you...

@Adstar what are the doctrines or beliefs held by atheists such as to constitute an ideology?

@newjaninev2 The main belief is that there is no God.. thats their faith based doctrine.. They most certainly cannot prove the non existence of God.. So their belief that God does not exist is a faith based belief system..

@Adstar Scientists (including those who have a religious POV) have shown how , for example, how the Earth came about and how life began. Religious people have never been able to prove there is a god, other than referring to a book of fairy tales and myths.

@jackieash Scientists have NEVER shown how life came into existence.. Someone has been telling you lies Jackie... God cannot be proven or disproven by science.. God has His message to entice those who love His truth to be drawn into Him and know He exists.. He allows those who hate His truth to be given over to delusion and deception..

@Adstar Plenty of books, journals and research would prove it. No one has told me any lies (apart from the priests, claiming god created everything.) Scientists don't have to rely on faith. And as I mentioned before, including scientists with a faith in god.
And no I dont hate god. It is totally illogical to hate something or someone who doesnt exist.

@jackieash Again No scientist has shown how life came into existence Jackie.. And yeah if someone told you they have then you have been lied to.. And i never said anyone hated God.. I said people hate His message, His teachings.. Thats the way God uses to seperate those He will Redeem and those who will not..

@Adstar Again, there are literally tons of books, research materials, theses and documented evidence to show how life began. Again, no-one except priests have lied to me about how things came into being. And guess what; evidence keeps being racked up on a daily basis, superceding everything we already knew. And if you want to, without even tryng too hard, you can do your own research. No doubt you would say "you can read the bible". The difference is that findings done by scientists are demonstrable. In fact, scientists will test to the point of exhaustion and destruction any theory before confirming anything,and then will offer it up to being challenged.

@jackieash Ok since your an expert tell me how life spontaneously came into existence from sterile matter.. Here is a hint.. You will not be able to..

@Adstar Ever heard of single cell organisms? It needed a combination of the right conditions for these organisms and bacteria like matter to evolve. A change in the atmospheric conditions and the earth cooling to the extent it did for the bacteria to evolve.

I will respond to your sarcastic comment by saying I am a student. Not a formal one but as someone who takes an interest in how life and the planet evolved. Students to a higher degree than me will give you a fuller answer.

May I be so bold as to ask how old you believe Earth to be?

@jackieash
Where not talking about the evolution of an existing organisim.. I asked how the first organisim single cell or otherwise came into existence..


If you don't know the answer don't make the statement that the answer has been discovered and prove to everyone that your a Liar..


I have no idea.. It could be billions of years old.. Why are you asking?

@Adstar A non-existent being cannot have any messages or teachings. You need to show some real evidence of your specific god if you want to be taken seriously.

@jackieash Theists grasp at any straws to try to "prove" their myths; scientists work hard to disprove their hypotheses and theories.

@rob19 I have never said i could prove the existence of God to anyone.. And i don't not care a jot if you do not take my posts seriously..

@Adstar LOL! If that were true you wouldn't keeping posting and trying. in vain, to defend them.

@Adstar Religious people have never explained the mechanism God used to create the universe or to change non living into living matter. So by your own standards, you haven’t proved anything.

@LeopoldBloom Again Leopold i never claimed to know How God went about bringing this universe and life into existence.. Did I?? Nope..

Ok Rob 19 let me demonstrate how i do not care about your pointless points..

@Adstar How have I "proven" myself to be a "liar". I never claimed to be an "expert" (to use your saracastic description) and I never claimed to be a formal student. I have pointed that out in previous replies. I have studied on a private basis. That is all. And that is why I said people who have studied to a higher degree than me would give you a fuller, more in depth answer. So where is the "lie"?

Indeed, sir, you are more of a liar than me. What is that about bearing false witness? What is that about passing judgment, for you, yourself would be judged, hmm?

@jackieash You made the claim that scientists have produced papers on how life came into existence and when i put you on the spot and asked to to inform me of how life came into existece you could not answer,,

Why?

Because no such definitive papers have been produced describing how the first simple single celled organisims came into existence.. So you lied about those papers existing because you had FAITH in someone who told you that the way life came into existence had already been discovered by scientists.. You did the typical atheist side step and started talking about evolution which is not about how life came into existence but how life adaps / changes through the generations due to DNA changes..

I told told you that the combination of the atmospheric conditions plus the cooling of the Earth saw single cell organisms develop. I don't see how or why you have such a problem with it. I read that in one of my brother's books when I was still going to church and becoming disillusioned about this alleged "creator of heaven and earth" . i started reading about the development of the earth and evolution while I was still in doubt. In other words, no one told me. I started reading about the earth and its development in books, years before I went on line.

So you, sir, are lying.

@jackieash

And you actually believe that will suffice as an answer??? You have got to be either joking or delusional.. How does atmospheric conditions and temperature changes cause the DNA helix of a single celled organism to form in the correct sequence so that all the DNA aligns exactly right and how is the protective covering of that Single celled organism formed to protect that DNA strand simply by the atmosphere and temperature change.. How can the incredible complexity of a self sustaining organism with the ability to repair any damage and to reproduce itself..

You know what.. When Charles Darwin came up with his moronic theory he had NO idea how incredibly complex a single celled organisms where.. How impossible it was for a single celled reproducing organism to miraculously just fall together into existence from mixed sterile matter.. Chales darwin thought single celled life was just a simple dot of muck, But modern micro biologists have discover how incredibly complex these single celled life forms are.. And they know, even though they keep it quiet because they want to remain on the science funding gravy train how moronic the idea that an atmosphere and changing heat levels could bring about the creation of life..

If they actually believed in that fairy tail they would get sterile matter and put it into a isolated sealed chamber and subject it to the varying pressures and temperatures and demonstrate life actually coming into existence spontaneously under laboratory conditions..

@Adstar As opposed to the fairy tale about gathering a pile of dust and blowing on it to create man?

You've just debunked yourself. You've stated modern biologists discovered the complexity of single celled life forms...meaning Darwin wouldn't have had the technology to do the same.

@jackieash
Of course Charles Darwin did not have the tools needed to understand how complex a single cell was.. Do you think they had Electron Microscopes back in 1850's ?? How am i debunking myself when i am stating the truth??



It's easy to believe that when you believe an Actual God exists.. Once you do not believe that an actual God exists all those things become impossible to you.. I know God exists He has proven Himself to me.. God can do that you know.. Prove Himself to whomsoever He wills.. His will be done.. And it is..