Catholicism

Serious answers, please

Is there another Catholic? He thinks that Pope Francis should step down?

I have never known a pope, especially pope John Paul,11 who has conformed to a liberal way of thinking and teaching. I lost faith in him when he met with Biden in jail, full, knowing that they support abortion and has told bishops and priest, that they cannot deny those who publicly support abortion the holy Eucharist..

Being tot my whole life by my Catholic faith that life should always be defended. I have always known that there were Catholics who supported abortion, and went to church every Sunday and received the Eucharist but they didn’t shout it from the rooftops.

I was taught that” now shall murder “ meant those who murdered, and those who supported murder, committed a mortal sin. I see Pope Francis say out loud to protect unborn lives and yet protects those who support murder, and saying that we should pray that they change that belief. We can pray for them, and I always have without allowing them to receive communion with supporting someone who openly supports abortion

Sadly, I see the church breaking apart. Having a traditional Catholic church and the new liberal Catholic Church..

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Heartlander · 80-89, M

Francis is a Jesuit and Jesuits have a long history of liberalism. While he talks up liberal causes a lot he's careful about playing the ace card; and that's probably why he was elected pope :)

The pope is a political position as much as the spiritual leader. Running the Catholic church is much like herding cats. Proclaiming moral superiority too strongly on anything risks being pointed out by Catholics themselves for the sins of the clergy.

Historically, it's been the church itself that redirects the clergy and the pope himself to the moral high ground. The forgiveness by the congregation of the church leaders' missteps.

It was the church itself that bore false witness that led to the tortured and burned of Joan of Arc at the stake; and the pressure of the congregation that exposed the treason and deceit of church clergy, and eventually raised her to sainthood. This transition has replayed thousands of times within the Catholic church. Like a tilting ship that rights itself by the weight of the faithful that move to the opposite side of the ship to serve as a counter balance to the misdirected authority.

sladejr · 56-60, M

@Heartlander I went to a Jesuit school for undergrad so I only know too well. While the school wasn't particularly political, alot of that weakness abounded subtlely.

Not exactly a dynamic campus life. I made sure I told my niece of that when she was considering a Jesuit school with a good academic reputation

Heartlander · 80-89, M

@sladejr

Quite a few family members and friends went to Jesuit schools. Quite a few conservative values mirror Catholic teachings, as do liberal causes. This may be evidenced in a list of graduates from a nearby Jesuit high school that includes both Senators Josh Hawley and Tim Kaine. On the ultra extreme end, Fidel Castro credited his Jesuit education for inspiring him to action.

In the spirit of atonement following forgiveness, it's interesting to see that Jesuit's Georgetown University crafted its own reparation for its role in American slavery 200 years later with the $billion contribution to help right their wrong.

sladejr · 56-60, M

@Heartlander I heard about that. Isn't there a number code that refers to the situation.

I think Calverton, MD is named after the original owner/slavemaster of the area?

Heartlander · 80-89, M

@sladejr

As I understand, the school itself once owned slaves, and was also in serious debt, so to come up with the funds to satisfy it's debts they sold their slaves to Louisiana plantation owners. In its efforts to atone for that they formed a partnership with Southern University in Baton Rouge (Historical Black College) that has an eventual value of a $billion. If I understand right, the need to right the injustice initially came from the students and community.

https://www.georgetown.edu/news/georgetown-apologizes-for-1838-sale-of-272-slaves-dedicates-buildings/

sladejr · 56-60, M

@Heartlander are they paying that with current kids' tuition?

Not good

Heartlander · 80-89, M

@sladejr I hope not. I saw somewhere where they were appealing to the greater Georgetown and Jesuit community for contrbutions to help pay that debt.

sladejr · 56-60, M

@Heartlander I am skeptical. Jus' sayin'

Heartlander · 80-89, M

@sladejr Understandably. A $billion is a lot of money still.

Just curious, but what's the tuition for a Jesuit high school now? Last I was aware was years ago, about $11K per year.

sladejr · 56-60, M

@Heartlander HS I don't know but I think much higher

Heartlander · 80-89, M

@sladejr we are multigenerational Catholic ed. Our daughter went to a great high school, in 1987 tuition was about $4K a year then.