A message to the women on here:
Favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the Lord, she shall be praised. - Proverbs 31:30
31-35, M
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ArishMell · 70-79, M
I see - live in permanent fear of something and you'll be fine. Not necessarily free, indeed, though.
Freeindeed · 31-35, M
@ArishMell Yes, free, just not the Aleister Crowley "Do what thou wilt" do whatever you want freedom, which isn't really freedom at all, but bondage that leads to degeneracy, hedonism and mental health problems. The type of unlimited freedom that turned America into one giant shopping mall. That is the "freedom" you're speaking of.
The Bible says in Galatians 5:13, "For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another."
And in 1 Peter 2:16, "As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God."
The Bible says in Galatians 5:13, "For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another."
And in 1 Peter 2:16, "As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God."
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Freeindeed I said nothing about encouraging untrammelled behaviour. I do not condone that. Nor do I like the excessive commercialising of everything either. Of course there are responsibilities too, primarily that you do not willingly harm others. As seems the spirit of St. Peter's instruction - and you do not need believe in supernatural beings to follow the first two clauses.
Besides, who wants to live a life of servitude to anyone, let alone of improvable existence? I am not a monk! :-)
You though seem to want a rigid, joyless, cruel totalitarianism bringing all manner of serious harm to others, by your personal prejudices including anti-Jewish, excused by your bizarre coupling of Mein Kampf and ancient Jewish religious texts as your template.
Of course I could have totally misinterpreted you, and your original message is really entirely satirical, albeit in rather poor taste!
As for Aleister Crowley, so what? He is best-known only as a past fantasy-novelist! I think he was said to have been part of a circle of friends fascinated by silly ideas of ghosts and ghoulies and things that go bump in the night, but that's all. He probably stirred up the moaners and complainers and amateur-moralists of his time but I think he's largely long-forgotten now, and certainly not taken seriously. I have not read any of his books but only because they don't arouse my curiosity, and I don't suppose they were very well-written. I would not refuse them on any spurious "morality" grounds though, because they are only fantasies.
Besides, who wants to live a life of servitude to anyone, let alone of improvable existence? I am not a monk! :-)
You though seem to want a rigid, joyless, cruel totalitarianism bringing all manner of serious harm to others, by your personal prejudices including anti-Jewish, excused by your bizarre coupling of Mein Kampf and ancient Jewish religious texts as your template.
Of course I could have totally misinterpreted you, and your original message is really entirely satirical, albeit in rather poor taste!
As for Aleister Crowley, so what? He is best-known only as a past fantasy-novelist! I think he was said to have been part of a circle of friends fascinated by silly ideas of ghosts and ghoulies and things that go bump in the night, but that's all. He probably stirred up the moaners and complainers and amateur-moralists of his time but I think he's largely long-forgotten now, and certainly not taken seriously. I have not read any of his books but only because they don't arouse my curiosity, and I don't suppose they were very well-written. I would not refuse them on any spurious "morality" grounds though, because they are only fantasies.
Freeindeed · 31-35, M
@ArishMell
And on top of your promotion of false freedom, which you are desperately trying to explain away, now you are lying about me.
The point has eluded you. True joy and happiness comes from serving the Lord and serving one another, which is true freedom. The false, hedonistic freedom that you are promoting is actually what leads to rigid, joyless, cruel totalitarianism. When people take advantage of freedom and misuse it, that is ALWAYS what leads to totalitarian regimes. And since you bring up Mein Kampf, the kind of false freedom that you love that was expressed in Weimar, Germany is precisely what brought about Hitler's Totalitarian Regime to clean up Germany. YES, YOUR VERSION OF FREEDOM CREATED NAZI, GERMANY.
Also, I NEVER coupled Mein Kampf with the Bible. Not once.
Adolf Hitler was a dark occultist and was not a Christian. In fact, he hated Christianity and spoke very badly of it behind closed doors and I condemn him.
Just because I speak the truth about WW2 and that time period does not make me pro-hitler and pro-mein kampf. I know it is hard in our post-truth world, but learn how to think critically.
Also, Aleister Crowley was far more than a fantasy novelist. You need to do more research. He was a wicked man, a satanist who was involved in occult rituals and magic, achieving altered states of consciousness through psychedelic drug use (a forerunner of Timothy Leary, which Timothy Leary even admitted that he was continuing the work of Crowley) and other means, and founded the luciferian religion of Thelema. He wanted to destroy everything good and holy and he was very open about that.
You though seem to want a rigid, joyless, cruel totalitarianism bringing all manner of serious harm to others, by your personal prejudices including anti-Jewish, excused by your bizarre coupling of Mein Kampf and ancient Jewish religious texts as your template.
And on top of your promotion of false freedom, which you are desperately trying to explain away, now you are lying about me.
The point has eluded you. True joy and happiness comes from serving the Lord and serving one another, which is true freedom. The false, hedonistic freedom that you are promoting is actually what leads to rigid, joyless, cruel totalitarianism. When people take advantage of freedom and misuse it, that is ALWAYS what leads to totalitarian regimes. And since you bring up Mein Kampf, the kind of false freedom that you love that was expressed in Weimar, Germany is precisely what brought about Hitler's Totalitarian Regime to clean up Germany. YES, YOUR VERSION OF FREEDOM CREATED NAZI, GERMANY.
Also, I NEVER coupled Mein Kampf with the Bible. Not once.
Adolf Hitler was a dark occultist and was not a Christian. In fact, he hated Christianity and spoke very badly of it behind closed doors and I condemn him.
Just because I speak the truth about WW2 and that time period does not make me pro-hitler and pro-mein kampf. I know it is hard in our post-truth world, but learn how to think critically.
As for Aleister Crowley, so what? He is best-known only as a past fantasy-novelist! I think he was said to have been part of a circle of friends fascinated by silly ideas of ghosts and ghoulies and things that go bump in the night, but that's all. He probably stirred up the moaners and complainers and amateur-moralists of his time but I think he's largely long-forgotten now, and certainly not taken seriously. I have not read any of his books but only because they don't arouse my curiosity, and I don't suppose they were very well-written. I would not refuse them on any spurious "morality" grounds though, because they are only fantasies.
Also, Aleister Crowley was far more than a fantasy novelist. You need to do more research. He was a wicked man, a satanist who was involved in occult rituals and magic, achieving altered states of consciousness through psychedelic drug use (a forerunner of Timothy Leary, which Timothy Leary even admitted that he was continuing the work of Crowley) and other means, and founded the luciferian religion of Thelema. He wanted to destroy everything good and holy and he was very open about that.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Freeindeed I did not lie about you.
You are twisting not only my words but noiw even your own.
I condemned Hitler's regime you said in your very first post should have won World War Two. So do you support his ideology or not?
I never suggested Hitler was a Christian. He certainly did not act like one! His relationship with the Lutheran and Catholic Churches seems to have been rather ambivalent, and he did not try to crush them. My link was of you saying his anti-Semitic regime should have won the war, while also using ancient Jewish religious books to support your ideology.
In various places you claim to be trying to "help" women. Really? It does not read that way. If you really want to help women you should respect them and rail not against their fashions, but against those immature men who pretend to be the superior sex and like to oppress women. And if men want to be very fussy about their own appearance, that is their business, not yours.
Yoiu have this fixation that the only way to live is by your ideology. You live your life by your choice, but treating everyone else with disdain for not matching your choices is wrong. Some of your writing suggests attitudes the law would call "controlling and coercive behaviour".
You take Crowley far too seriously. I do know he played "magick" but so what? He and his pals were mere fantasists, and if he and Leary used psychedelic drugs that makes them mere fools. Although there is nothing new - such substances have probably been by used by shamans and priests of all sorts of religions around the world throughout human history. Quotes I have seen of the Book of Revelations suggest some sort of trip.
Crowley was before my time but I recollect seeing his books in the shops. I read the summaries on the covers and though it all tosh - harmless tosh though; just fanatsy. I recall Leary, just. I was in my teens (late-1960s to early-70s) when he was a darling of that hippy-dippy time of "flower-power" and LSD, but even then I did not take that "alternative society" stuff seriously. Leary never did anything worthwhile. So I can't be bothered to worry about either him or Crowley, certainly not enough to get all het up about them.
Besides, if you attack things like occult magic too seriously, like those sanctimonius silly-billies who call the Harry Potter or Dark Materials novels "evil", you risk people thinking you believe they are true! :-)
For the record I have never taken LSD or any other illicit drugs - I have too much self-respect for that - nor was I a "hippy"; but I certainly enjoyed the clothes fashions and rock-music of the time! Just looked at your age: the era would have been that of your parents' youth.
Errr, are we allowed to enjoy music in your world?
You are twisting not only my words but noiw even your own.
I condemned Hitler's regime you said in your very first post should have won World War Two. So do you support his ideology or not?
I never suggested Hitler was a Christian. He certainly did not act like one! His relationship with the Lutheran and Catholic Churches seems to have been rather ambivalent, and he did not try to crush them. My link was of you saying his anti-Semitic regime should have won the war, while also using ancient Jewish religious books to support your ideology.
In various places you claim to be trying to "help" women. Really? It does not read that way. If you really want to help women you should respect them and rail not against their fashions, but against those immature men who pretend to be the superior sex and like to oppress women. And if men want to be very fussy about their own appearance, that is their business, not yours.
Yoiu have this fixation that the only way to live is by your ideology. You live your life by your choice, but treating everyone else with disdain for not matching your choices is wrong. Some of your writing suggests attitudes the law would call "controlling and coercive behaviour".
You take Crowley far too seriously. I do know he played "magick" but so what? He and his pals were mere fantasists, and if he and Leary used psychedelic drugs that makes them mere fools. Although there is nothing new - such substances have probably been by used by shamans and priests of all sorts of religions around the world throughout human history. Quotes I have seen of the Book of Revelations suggest some sort of trip.
Crowley was before my time but I recollect seeing his books in the shops. I read the summaries on the covers and though it all tosh - harmless tosh though; just fanatsy. I recall Leary, just. I was in my teens (late-1960s to early-70s) when he was a darling of that hippy-dippy time of "flower-power" and LSD, but even then I did not take that "alternative society" stuff seriously. Leary never did anything worthwhile. So I can't be bothered to worry about either him or Crowley, certainly not enough to get all het up about them.
Besides, if you attack things like occult magic too seriously, like those sanctimonius silly-billies who call the Harry Potter or Dark Materials novels "evil", you risk people thinking you believe they are true! :-)
For the record I have never taken LSD or any other illicit drugs - I have too much self-respect for that - nor was I a "hippy"; but I certainly enjoyed the clothes fashions and rock-music of the time! Just looked at your age: the era would have been that of your parents' youth.
Errr, are we allowed to enjoy music in your world?