Many Atheists Clearly Hate God. Why Is This?

@bijouxbroussard Agreed. I think many non Christians look at us believers and see the imperfections and the judgemental attitudes and they say no way do I want to be part of that hypocrisy.

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@bijouxbroussard Regarding the claim that Christians try to get the laws altered to suit themselves; where I live (Australia), the [b]exact opposite[/b] has occurred! We now have, for example, in the state of Victoria not just abortion on demand, but abortion up to the time just before birth. That is absolutely disgusting! It is MURDER.
I don't know where you live, but it's clearly not Australia, or any other Western nation.

@FormerAtheist Actually, it’s the United States. And a ten year old [b]rape[/b] victim here recently had to be taken by her parents to another state for an abortion because her home state, where religious fanatics control legislation,
make no exceptions for rape or forced incest, even of a child.

I’m skeptical about the claim of "late abortions up to birth", because at that point it’s possible just to deliver the child. And here late term abortions (classified as past 21 weeks) were only legal to save a woman’s life, or when the fetus is deceased or dying. And generally in those cases, they were [b]wanted[/b] children. But the religious right interfered even with that—and it’s caused problems for women breaking no laws.

In Ohio, a woman who had a [b]miscarriage[/b] in a bathroom was facing [b]criminal[/b] charges. She had come from a prenatal visit and the doctor told her that her water had broken prematurely. The fetus was dying, and she was in danger of death.

[quote] That was a Tuesday in September. What followed was a harrowing three days entailing: multiple trips to the hospital; Watts miscarrying into, and then flushing and plunging, a toilet at her home; a police investigation of those actions; and Watts, who is Black, being charged with abuse of a corpse. That’s a fifth-degree felony punishable by up to a year in prison and a $2,500 fine.[/quote]

In other states, the doctor would’ve been able to do a D&C ,but Ohio classifies that as abortion, and the fetus’s remains couldn’t be extracted.

Australia, imo, has it right. A woman or girl should get to decide whether or not she gives birth, unless they’re to be classified as second-class citizens and human incubators. And nobody who isn’t planning to pay for prenatal care or support for the children should have any say over a stranger’s reproductive choices—that’s between her and her doctor.

@bijouxbroussard Well said! Was reading this, might be of interest to you.
https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/fact-sheet/abortions-later-in-pregnancy/

@CrystalSkull Thank you. I read this and corrected numbers I had apparently misread.

@bijouxbroussard No problem, I read stats all the time, I think it’s difficult as many papers have stated to get true stats of this issue. I am passionate about the cause and would like to thank you for always standing up for women’s rights! (I’ve been here since the beginning, even EP, I just change my username often as I prefer being incognito). Thank you. I am happy to read that there are some who feel like me beyond some of this craziness.

@CrystalSkull Thank you. I feel very strongly about the subject too. I remember the way things were before Roe v. Wade, and wealthy women always had access to safe abortions, poor and middle class girls and women were stuck—even rape victims. And it’s the religious folks trying to take people back to those days. A cousin with whom I was close became pregnant by a family "friend", active in the church. He was 45, she was [b]12[/b]. And [b]she[/b] was judged. Believing her life was ruined, she committed suicide. 😞

@bijouxbroussard OMG that’s so terrible. It infuriates me, I feel the same way as you. Before it was legal in my country things like that happened too. I had a student DR friend who didn’t help a friend of his who begged him to help her. He didn’t because it was illegal. She ended up jumping off a building. He decided then and there to never do that again and helped women. He said he couldn’t forgive himself for that and never told her wailing parents. It hit hard. I live in one of the rape capitals of the world so I was relieved that it became legal it’s a terrible thing. It’s shocking to me that certain western people scream murder and hate for women. I would urge them to see how lucky they are in their first world counties and look at other places in the world for empathy for women and girls and realise how lucky they are. It’s disturbing,

@CrystalSkull Forced abortion is equally bad. One of my team’s children became present. She forced her daughter to have an abortion. The girl of course left home and never spoke to her mother again.

My grandson has cleft. The hospital put pressure on my son and his wife to have a late abortion after thirty weeks. They resisted. OK the lad has had operations and is deaf. But he is a joy.

The youngest girl I worked with who became pregnant was twelve. Her mother wanted her to have an abortion, and made her life a misery. The girl became a lovely mother, and brought up her son admirably.

Nothing to do with atheism or Christianity.

There are no such things as Christian ethics or Laws. Christianity is about a relationship with the Living God. Certainly nothing to do with the judgment of others.

@sunriselover The différence is, nobody can [b]legally[/b] force someone to have an abortion, at least not in my country. Urging and manipulation can be resisted.

But now that the protections for girls and women have been repealed, they [b]can[/b] be legally prevented from making that choice. Some states even have laws where a total stranger, if they observe that a woman is pregnant and then she isn’t , can report her to the authorities on suspicion of having had an abortion.

Women who have had [b]miscarriages[/b] have experienced the further stressor of police showing up at their door from a neighbor’s nosiness.

@sunriselover “the girl became a lovely mother at 12. W.t.f.”

@sunriselover I think there’s the whole issue a child became pregnant.,in your own words.

@sunriselover of course there is such a thing as Christian ethics. It’s called moral theology.

Btw a child of 12 becoming a lovely mother…giving birth kills women all over the world all the time. A child’s body is not ready for that. Google it.
I’m glad you have a lovely grandson but the point is they HAD a choice did they not? You can bet if my 12 year old daughter became pregnant, we’d go the termination route. What about her education, finances, future? And what about the father, if he is a child too? He has to pay for that’s kid with what money?

@CrystalSkull And my cousin was the victim of a [b]pedophile[/b], as are many children who become pregnant. When I’ve spoken about her, it’s always a shock to me when men don’t see anything horrific about a [b]child’s[/b] body being torn from giving birth. To a 12 year old who thinks she wants a baby, the experience is never what she thinks it will be.

@bijouxbroussard yes your cousin was raped. As is any 12 year old. I find it shocking that people could say such things that being a mother will be a healing experience. Like one or other senator or something said in the US.

@CrystalSkull I suppose it’s a matter of perspective. I worked with troubled students for over thirty years, the ones that society would rather forget.
That was my career, my job, my life.
In the case of this young mother, she said to me later that I understood her better than her own mother,, that yes she was I mother, but at times she had to be a fifteen year old girl. Someone has to pick up the pieces.

I have no Christian ethics, and don’t know what they are.



In terms of abortion, I feel there are circumstances that termination should occur. A rape, the health of the mother. A person in a mental hospital become pregnant by another parent, not the husband, an extreme example. But abortion is not a form of contraception. Life is precious. Yours is, so were the troubled disaffected people I worked with.

@sunriselover I too worked with youth for many years. I still do. And I can tell you that girls are affected by unwanted pregnancies for life way more than unwanted abortions. Their education is taken away from them by having a child young, economic resources and health are affected. I didn’t say a word about abortion as a form of contraception. Don’t know where you got that from. Access to reproductive health education and autonomy over their own bodies (for everyone not just women) is key to improving this across the world. I am glad you were able to help this woman, not everyone has someone to help them.

@CrystalSkull

I’m glad you are working in this area too.
It is challenging, frustrating ..

As for boys, they run away from their responsibilities. But not all. And some even pick up the pieces.