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The Meaning of the Bible as I see it

What's the meaning of the Bible? What's it about? It can be summed up very simply as this: the vindication of Jehovah God's name through the ransom sacrifice of Christ Jesus.

I can explain this further with first a short answer. The tree of the knowledge of good and bad represented, to Adam, Jehovah God's sovereignty. That is, his right, as our creator, to decide for us what was good and what was bad until we, like children, matured to the point where we could do that for ourselves within the parameters of that sovereignty. Knowledge is facts, information, and skills acquired by a person through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject. The knowledge in this case is experience. Good and bad had been defined by Jehovah and at that point was very simple. Fill the earth and subdue it, that was good. Don't touch or eat the fruit of the tree, that was bad. The knowledge Adam and Eve had acquired was the decision to decide for themselves what was good and what was bad. That's why they suddenly considered nudity to be bad. (Genesis 2:25; 3:6-11)

The footnote to Genesis 2:17 in the 1966 Jerusalem Bible explains it really well: "This knowledge is a privilege which God reserves to himself and which man, by sinning, is to lay hands on, Genesis 3:5, 22. Hence it does not mean omniscience, which fallen man does not possess; nor is it moral discrimination, for unfallen man already had it and God could not refuse it to a rational being. It is the power of deciding for himself what is good and what is evil and of acting accordingly, a claim to complete moral independence by which man refuses to recognise his status as a created being. The first sin was an attack on God’s sovereignty, a sin of pride."

The long answer explains it further by giving you a more accurate understanding of the Bible and so, hopefully, allowing you to more fully understand the meaning of the short answer.

God created Michael first. Then Michael, as Jehovah's master worker, created everything through Jehovah's Holy Spirit or active force. (Genesis 1:26; 3:22; Proverbs 8:22-31; Colossians 1:15-17; John 8:23; 17:5) The word Holy means sacred, or belonging to God. Spirit means an invisible active force, like wind, breath, mental inclination. Something that we can't see but that produces results that we can see. So, the holy spirit is God's active force, invisible to us. The first thing that Michael, through Jehovah's holy spirit, created was the spiritual heavens. This was followed by the spirit beings, often called angels. (Job 38:4-7) Then the physical heavens, or space as we know it, including Earth, the stars, sun and moon and finally everything on Earth eventually concluding with Adam and Eve.

The angels existed for a very long time before man was created, and they had time to mature, like children, so that they knew what was good and bad from their creator. It is important that you understand that being created perfect is much like being born a baby. Parents see their newborn children as perfect, but think about it. They can't walk, talk, feed themselves, go to the bathroom properly - they are bald, toothless, chubby, defenseless little creatures. Perfect in the sense that they have great potential and innocence.

By the time man was created the angels had already reached their potential.

On the seventh day, when the creation was complete, God "rested." This doesn't mean that God was tired or that he stopped working, it means he set aside a period of time in which we were allowed to mature, as the angels had done. When we would have accomplished this, we could, as the Bible says, enter into God's Day of rest. In other words, the seventh "day" or more accurately, period of creation, continues to this day. So, the knowledge of what is good and what is bad is the eventual possession of that maturity. The ability to decide for ourselves what was good and what was bad, predicated upon an acknowledgement of our own accord, of our creator, Jehovah's rightful sovereignty. (Psalm 95:11; Isaiah 40:28; John 5:17; Romans 8:22; Hebrews 4:1-5)

This is why, once Adam rejected that concept by deciding for himself what was good and bad before he had matured enough to best do that, Jehovah had to shorten his life from living forever to eventually dying. Because if he and his offspring, mankind, were allowed to live forever under those conditions, they would never reach that maturity and they would bring about an endless series of chaos and destruction.

So, in effect, Satan charged Jehovah with the crime of withholding some knowledge from mankind. He knew this wasn't true, but he wanted to try and seize control of the power that Jehovah's sovereignty represented even if it meant destroying all that it represented and everything else in the process. Even destroying himself. Like a jealous child breaking a toy so no one else can have it.

But to Jehovah justice is very important. You can't just wave away a crime due to the damage that has been incurred. So, he allowed the charges against him to be tried, as in a court of law. He allowed Satan's theory to be tested in a manner of speaking. With the stipulation that 1. he wasn't going to allow it to prevent his original purpose for the angels and mankind from being fulfilled beyond what was necessary to establish his defense. That they should live forever in peace, in heaven and on earth respectively. And 2. that justice would be done.

So immediately after Adam's sin Jehovah put in motion the plan for all of this to take place while Satan's theory was being tested. In a basic sense the steps were as follows.

1. Select a group of people.
2. Form a nation for those people.
3. Demonstrate to them what was going on by establishing a law which they couldn't keep due to their imperfection, or the incomplete nature of their lack of the aforementioned maturity.
4. Provide a way out through a Messiah or Christ, namely, Michael, who volunteered due to his love for mankind and his father, Jehovah's purpose. So, Michael came to earth as a man, Jesus the Christ.

One final point of consideration regarding mankind. From Jehovah's perspective the life he created, the life he gave us, is sacred. You may recall that sacred means belonging to God. According to the Bible our soul is our life, represented by our blood, so blood is sacred. To kill someone, or take their soul, requires the payment of the killer's own soul because it is taking something sacred to Jehovah. So, the blood sacrifices represented a respect for or acknowledgement of his created life granted to us. For example, if a person was found murdered and no one knew who did the killing then they had to sacrifice a bull and spill its blood on the ground as a symbolic acknowledgement of God's possession. Sacred life. A sort of gesture of justice. (Deuteronomy 21:1-9)

Since we inherited sin through Adam then the only man who could pay the price for the blood of Adam, which had been perfect and without sin from the start until he did sin - was the blood of a man who was without sin.
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DocSavage · M

In the original story. The only sin Adam committed was stealing a few apples. Your god is a drama queen
@DocSavage Again with the memes. Online bumper stickers for the idiot.

In order to establish that the Creation narrative was plagiarized you have to provide the following.

1. Date of the events recorded.
2. Date of circulation of each the Bible and Creation myths you claim were being plagiarized.
3. Similarities.

Let's see you then. Do that.

You brought up Gilgamesh earlier. You’re aware of the flood myth in it. Do you think that’s the only one ?

No. It isn't even the earliest. But fairly benign when you take the 3 steps I suggested above. Which of course you won't. You just paste some blurb you don't understand or even bothered to corroborate.
DocSavage · M
@AkioTsukino
Establish it yourself. You got google don’t you ? Try doing a little research yourself for once. You brought up Gilgamesh earlier. You’re aware of the flood myth in it. Do you think that’s the only one ?

The image of God fashioning Eve out of Adam's rib may have originated in an ancient legend from Mesopotamia *. After the god Enki ate eight plants belonging to the goddess Ninhursag, she cursed him so that eight parts of his body became diseased. When he was nearly dead, the gods persuaded Ninhursag to help him, and she created eight healing goddesses. The goddess who cured Enki's rib was Ninti, whose name meant "lady of the rib" or "lady of life." In Hebrew mythology, Adam names the woman created from his rib Hawwah, which means "life." The Mesopotamian story probably influenced the Hebrew one, which became the basis for one biblical version of Eve's creation.

Read more: http://www.mythencyclopedia.com/A-Am/Adam-and-Eve.html#ixzz7UAHnYICN
See, anyone can do it.
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DocSavage · M
@AkioTsukino
And what is your informed decision? I still can’t figure out WTF you’re trying to say.
I read the mythology, go check it out yourself. Others have already established it. I don’t need to. Isn’t that your excuse ?
@DocSavage From your encyclopedia of myth: "The image of God fashioning Eve out of Adam's rib may have originated in an ancient legend from Mesopotamia." Okay. Which come first? Adam or the Mesopotamian legend? How much time from that alleged event until Moses wrote the flood account? When did Peleg exist? What happened during that time? Who is Dumuzi? What similarities, including the flood, permeate cultures globally in spite of the geographic and linguistic barriers? The cross. Giants. Gods. Creation. Rosary beads. Et cetera. The Ziggurat, like the tower of Babel.

The most basic question then is. How much time from Peleg to Gilgamesh? Or earlier legends. Where did they come from? So how much time from Peleg to Moses?

You can find some cryptic clues here: https://semmelweisreflex.com/
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@DocSavage It's my conclusion that a space alien from a very distant galaxy is posting on this forum and I'm sure you know who it is, his name starts with "h" =
https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Genesis%202:21
DocSavage · M
@AkioTsukino
Truthfully, I find it pointless. I’ve read a few versions of creation myth. I don’t believe in any of them. If I had to choose, I would go with the Norse version. Odin and his brothers were into recycling. The built the world from a dead frost giant’s corpse. And created humans fro a couple of trees. They were way ahead of their time.
@Diotrephes I can make no sense of this exchange. Not that that means anything other than I can make no sense of it. But, for some reason, which also doesn't necessarily make any sense that I can see, the claims made by science remind me of some things.

If I argue that the Bible was inspired by highly advanced aliens who are invisible to us, can heal the sick, walk on water et cetera what would you think? Probably nothing considering any preconceived notions you may have about the Bible.

But if I suggested all of those things without reference to the Bible you may think them more in the realm of possibility. Not that that itself means much.

Now, on the other hand, if you were a young man when Ignaz Semmelweis suggested the possibility of germs and was ignored and ridiculed by the established science of his time, who believed in the miasmatic school of medicine, or when the Wright brothers were exploring with the possibility of flight were also ridiculed and scorned, even after they had accomplished it, you might live long enough to see a paradigm shift in which established science is eventually discarded as the nonsensical rubbish that it is. Atheists don't like to talk about that sort of thing.

Keep in mind, I think Evolutionist aren't even remotely scientific in their approach, and I certainly don't think them a fair representation of science. Much like I don't think theological scholars and the religious are fair representations of the Bible.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@AkioTsukino Are you mainly a creationist or do you believe in evolution?

I am an evolutionist. There are countless examples of on-going evolution right before our eyes, if we simply look.

Even the Bible gives an example of evolution involving animals.

IMO, creationists believe in a static world where nothing changes. Most people know that almost everything is always changing. Horseshoe crabs have been pretty constant. Today's horseshoe crabs are barely different from the ones of 450 million years ago. Humans are different, We are physically evolving at this very minute, with some growing a new artery in their forearms.

More And More Humans Are Growing an Extra Artery, Showing We're Still Evolving
https://www.sciencealert.com/more-humans-are-growing-an-extra-artery-in-our-arms-because-we-re-still-evolving

What the Discovery of an Extra Artery Means for Human Evolution
https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/what-the-discovery-of-an-extra-artery-means-for-human-evolution
@Diotrephes
Are you mainly a creationist or do you believe in evolution?

Given the choice by compulsion, by threat of death, of either joining some religious, social or political group, or having a full frontal lobotomy I would have to think real hard about it.

We have a lifetime to figure things out; if you think (which you probably don't) that that is enough time for any of us to completely know just about anything of significance I believe you're in for a disappointment. We will spend most of our lives being wrong most of the time. Which is why we have science. If it weren't true we wouldn't need science.

I don't identify as Christian and certainly not as a "Creationist." I believe we were created. I don't believe evolution.

I am an evolutionist. There are countless examples of on-going evolution right before our eyes, if we simply look.

Yes. Everything changes. To say that is the theory of evolution is misleading. I think intentionally so. The thing evolving most about evolution is what exactly evolution itself is. I have given the example of the pepper moth.

IMO, creationists believe in a static world where nothing changes. Most people know that almost everything is always changing. Horseshoe crabs have been pretty constant. Today's horseshoe crabs are barely different from the ones of 450 million years ago. Humans are different, We are physically evolving at this very minute, with some growing a new artery in their forearms.

The rib. Taken from Adam. Ribs regrow. That doesn't mean we evolved from a "common ancestor." Humans were always humans. They're not apes just because someone sees similarities in them. An ape is an ape and a human is a human. We all know this. It's fact.

When people use that fact to jump to the conclusion that we, as humans, were once apes, they are lying. No one has ever seen this. It isn't fact.

So, someone says that isn't what evolution is. Well what is it? Don't conflate what it is with poorly constructed speculation that changes like fashion. By the time you figure out what nonsense it was it has changed to something else over and over. And even then it's like complicated economic jargon that makes no real sense and is designed that way. Oh, you're just ignorant. Everyone knows what the latest jargon is. No. Only a handful of people who need to be funded and atheistic morons.

The theory reminds of of 42.

[media=https://youtu.be/tK0urw144cU]
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@AkioTsukino That's an interesting analysis. You are wrong about ribs regrowing. I believe the only part of the body that will regrow is the liver.

Since you believe in creation, who or what do you think did the creating? Do you have any thoughts on why the creator entity has stopped creating stuff? Imagine having such power and the getting lazy. I would create a flying blue whale that could fly at least six thousand miles non-stop at thirty five thousand feet altitude.

What would you create?
@Diotrephes
That's an interesting analysis. You are wrong about ribs regrowing. I believe the only part of the body that will regrow is the liver.

Ribs regenerate to a near normal radiological profile within 6 months of costectomy when gel foam scaffold is placed in the rib bed. Rib regeneration in patients without gel foam scaffold is slower and poorer in quality.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3489251/#:~:text=Ribs%20regenerate%20to%20a%20near,slower%20and%20poorer%20in%20quality.

Since you believe in creation, who or what do you think did the creating?

Jehovah.

Do you have any thoughts on why the creator entity has stopped creating stuff? Imagine having such power and the getting lazy.

"Jesus said to them, 'My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working.'" - John 5:17

"Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard? The God of the age - Jehovah, Preparer of the ends of the earth, Is not wearied nor fatigued, There is no searching of His understanding." - Isaiah 40:28

I would create a flying blue whale that could fly at least six thousand miles non-stop at thirty five thousand feet altitude.

What would you create?

I would create a new Earth, where sickness, disease and death are no more.

Where I lack in originality I make up for in practicality.