I Think Atheism Is Stupid

@Quizzical You also did not watch the video. Your atheism is stupid because it prohibits you from even viewing an apologist. You do not have to. No worries. Bye

@NewBecky Nothing this man could have said would convince me of the existence of Iehovah, or any other supernatural entity. I've read the bible from cover to cover, and you know what it's full of? Stories, myths, and legends from other non-Judaic religions that pre-date Christianity by hundreds of years.

@Quizzical I did not expect you to give it time. And your propaganda is not new. Thanks for sharing it but you only confirm the slippery nature of the ignorance called atheism.

@NewBecky It's not propaganda, it's documented facts that I am talking about.

I read and get my answers from more than just one book...

@Quizzical No, it is certainly oft repeated propaganda... nothing factual in your comment.

@NewBecky Let's take the flood story as an example, and Noah loading animals onto his ark.

In the Sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh a character called Utnapishtim is warned of an imminent flood to be unleashed by wrathful gods. He builds a vast circular-shaped boat, reinforced with tar and pitch, that carries his relatives, grains and animals. After enduring days of storms, Utnapishtim, like Noah in Genesis, releases a bird in search of dry land.

The Epic of Gilgamesh predates Christianity by about 2,500 years...

@Quizzical I will permit this off topic comment but then you need to return to the points in the video.

Regarding that Epic, Cristianity is predated by the accounts written in all of the Torah.,. SIMPLE. Now then, what of surge?

@NewBecky Sumerian writings predate the Torah too, they are widley regarded as the first civilisation and as I am led to understand the originators of written language.

My point is that when you look at ALL religious teachings rather than just the one you notice similarities between them, whether they be monotheistic or polytheistic religions. Religions that predate Christianity, telling the same stories, offering the same parables. So it's not great leap in logic to see that Christianity co-opted these stories to support it's own burgeoning faith system, as it also did with festivals at certain times of the year, such as the celebration of Eostre of the festival of Saturnalia.

So how can anything in the bible be true when the information contained within was plagiarised from other places?

@Quizzical Perhaps it did not occur to you that, assuming the Bible IS correct... then all people would have come from Noah and his family. And so, all people from after Noah's time would have recorded the story of a great flood sent by (a) God. Of course! So all people share that in common from very early history serving only to confirm but not to disprove anything. But the predating argument is common. In the end, because of how it is employed, it becomes nothing but propaganda.

@NewBecky It's common because it's correct...

And people can't possibly have come from Noah and his family, you need to have at the very least 80 men and 80 women breeding together to ensure genetic diversity amongst humans, otherwise you end up with deleterious mutations over time.

@Quizzical No, everything has a beginning point... a first dog, for example... genetic diversity is not an issue. Even evolution would require firsts that would later on become more diverse.

@Quizzical The first word of the Bible tells the entire story of the Bible,,, that Christ would die on the cross. Bar = Son Alef = Father or God as silent letter Shin = Destroy ( A picture of jagged rocks) Yod = Hand Tov or Tav... I forget but the picture is a "Mark" or a T ... thousands of years before the cross was ever used for execution.

@NewBecky Of course it's an issue, lol.

Dogs didn't just spring into existence with 'the first dog' and then change from there... They evolved from a type of wolf and changed over time, in some cases naturally, and in others through selective breeding.

You stick to religion and I'll stick to science. I know which I have more trust in.

@Quizzical No, it is not an issue and if you knew science then you would know that it is entirely possible for a family to have enough genetic diversity for future generations. They are called tribes... groups of people that all came from the same family.

@Quizzical "Tribe:
"A unit of sociopolitical organization consisting of a number of families, clans, or other groups who share a common ancestry"

Hmmmm, common ancestry... what might that mean? lol

@NewBecky And that's why you get village idiots... because small communities have a lack of genetic diversity 🙄

@Quizzical The universe did not have eternal existence. It had a point of origin. Just watch the video. lol

@NewBecky That's very linear and limited thinking from him... There could have been an infinite amount of Universes before this one going from bang to crunch to bang ad infinitum.

@Quizzical You should know that the scientific method requires observation. What you propose might be a theory but it is not seen in the universe today. Rather, Tureks position that the universe is and has been expanding IS supported by the scientific method. It is observed.

You present a theory with no scientific evidence. Rather than follow your theory that would require greater faith than following Frank Tureks observations... and the great minds that he quotes.... I'll stick with Surge for now... I don't have enough faith to be an atheist.

@NewBecky Oh, it's not a theory, just a possibility.

Something being a 'theory' actually has a meaning in science. It's not just someone's best guess.

@Quizzical It is not observed... so, you are quite right... it is not even a true theory.

@NewBecky It was just my suggestion of a possibility, I like to keep an open mind to such things.

@Quizzical Turek, however, DOES have a theory based on observation! :) I gotta run... So nice debating the ignorance called atheism. See you

@NewBecky Yeah, it was enjoyable, we should debate the fantasy of religion again sometime.