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Extraordinary Claims Do NOT Require Extraordinary Evidence

Here's why.
First of all, the concept of "extraordinariness" is itself wholly subjective, and susceptible to bias. No one can really agree on it, simply because what may be extraordinary for you may not be for me. It's almost entirely subjective, like the concept of beauty (actually, beauty has a greater claim to being based in reality than the extraordinary, if only because most people will generally agree on what is attractive and what is not; there are at least some standards).
Secondly, what's really required for most claims is just evidence of any kind to establish its credibility or truth. You will not hear in a courtroom, for example, anyone complaining that a prosecution's evidence isn't extraordinary enough, because that would just leave everyone baffled. The evidence may be strong or it may be weak, it may be convincing or not convincing, and it may circumstantial or pertinent and definitive, but it will never be "extraordinary" (whatever that means).
I say all of the above at this point in time, because I've once again been asked by an atheist here on SW to provide some "extraordinary evidence", because apparently belief in the existence, the reality of a transcendent explanation for the existence of our very reality, is just too extraordinary for him to accept.

Update Edit: No one thus far has presented a well-thought-out, sensible case for why they believe the concept of extraordinariness can, and perhaps should, be applied when it comes to evidence (NOT proof).
Predictably, the atheists on this site have chosen to deflect from the issue by waffling on about things that aren't even relevant to the topic.
It's sad, disappointing, but entirely to be expected by now.
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Kwek00 · 41-45, M
I say all of the above at this point in time, because I've once again been asked by an atheist here on SW to provide some "extraordinary evidence", [quote]because apparently belief in the existence, the reality of a transcendent explanation for the existence of our very reality, is just too extraordinary for him to accept.

Invoking a non-proof able hypothesis, that is far from any ordinairy answer then the answers we ussually get is "extraordinary". Unless your subjective reality, just allows all kinds of fantasies to become "the norm" when looking for answers to questions. If you in that last paradigm, then you probably need help before you go even further off the rails.
@Kwek00 There are many things we either believe or take for granted that are not "provable". How can you not know this? For example, the vast majority of us accept the notion of there being an objective reality, independent of our minds. We accept the reality of the past, the existence of other minds.
Can any of us "prove" any of this? Can you?
Maybe you have "gone off the rails".
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@Bel6EQUJ5
For example, the vast majority of us accept the notion of there being an objective reality, independent of our minds.

Can any of us "prove" any of this? Can you?

Yes... we call it "measuring". We "measure" our reality. And no matter what you think or believe, the "measurement" will pretty much give you an objective reading of what ever you mean to measure.


The moment someone starts talking about an issue and goes: "What if God is behind this?" ... that's an extraordinairy claim. And in the past, that extraordinairy claim, has caused entire civilisations to stagnate and conserve ignorance. While measuring and reasoning, has proven a way better way of dealing with the issues at hand.
DocSavage · M
@Bel6EQUJ5
We accept the reality of the past, the existence of other minds.
Which proves that you’re wrong. You accept these things because you have enough evidence to convince you . You can’t go into the past and experience it personally, but the consensus of surrounding events and experiences make it probable beyond a reasonable doubt. Without that consensus, you would have no reason to believe your own history. For all you know, you were kidnapped by gypsies. Or you’re a changeling,
If the standard of truth doesn’t matter, everything and anything is open.
@Kwek00 Yes, measurements, but how do we know that what we're measuring is even real in the first place? Measurements just demonstrate the extent of whatever it is we're trying to determine the size or volume of.
@Kwek00 I didn't say here that God was behind this. I don't know that for sure, hence why I'm an agnostic and remain at this time uncommitted to any particular worldview. I might at times quote from, for example, the Bible, but I'll only do this when I agree with the sentiment expressed. There is much within that collection of books that I know are wrong.
@DocSavage Enough evidence to convince me may not be enough evidence to establish a fact. Maybe I'm easily persuaded, or easily tricked.
I've heard that some people (mainly young males in Asia) have formed strong, emotional bonds with their "female" phone applications, because they're apparently so good now that they can accurately mimic a real woman. Apparently, they either believe these things really are sentient, or perhaps they just don't care.
DocSavage · M
@Bel6EQUJ5
Do you hear yourself ? Every time you answer, you show just how much evidence is needed.
The standard of evidence, is based on the importance of the claim (as I said at the beginning) if you’re going to make a claim against an established belief, you need something more than just your say so.
@DocSavage Okay, so "extraordinary" just means "a lot", or "more than usual".
DocSavage · M
@Bel6EQUJ5
Depending on the context of the claim, yes.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@Bel6EQUJ5
@Kwek00 Yes, measurements, but how do we know that what we're measuring is even real in the first place?

Even if you are a brain in a vat... this experience is still your reality. What you measure, is the objective dimension that reality takes.

You can be over sceptical and start doubting everythg to an absurd degree, but that road ussually allows people to become more fantastical instead of knowledgeable. The art of asking question is part of the arsenal of every snake-oil peddler