Proof for atheists

@bijouxbroussard
Wrong arguments for any imaginable group, perhaps?
Is there a group Rhetorics About Nothing?

@ElRengo I never understand theists who come into groups about atheism or agnosticism to proselytize. There are other groups to discuss religion.

@ElRengo We shall correlate all the branches of theism like Advaita, Viśiṣṭa Advaita, Dvaita and so on, but we cannot correlate atheism with theism. Pūrva Mīmāṃsakas are pure atheists, who clearly say that God does not exist (Devo na kaścit bhuvanasya bhartā). They are the misled followers of Sage Jaimini, who was the theistic disciple of Sage Vyāsa. Vyāsa is the founder of the Uttara Mīmāṃsā philosophy or theism. His disciple Jaimini, simply stressed on the performance of sacrifice. In fact, almost 80% of the Veda is about the performance of sacrifice. Sacrifice is the practical outcome of devotion and can be called practical devotion. It involves practically offering food and money as guru dakṣiṇā.

Apart from learning spiritual knowledge and developing devotion, which are both theoretical, there exists the practical part of the spiritual effort which is composed of service and sacrifice. This practical part is the major part of the spiritual path. But Jaimini’s emphasis of this major practical part of the spiritual path should not be misunderstood to be a denial of God’s existence. Jaimini was a theist, but his followers are atheists. It is just like the case of Buddha who was a theist, but His followers, the Buddhists, are atheists. This is very unfortunate and ironic since Buddha is the ninth Incarnation in the list of the ten famous Incarnations of God.

@dattaswami So why not discuss that in a group about Eastern religions ?

@bijouxbroussard his next diatribe is in BELIEFS! 🤣

@bijouxbroussard Hi.......please don't wish him on us.

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@bijouxbroussard

To proselytize seems to be one must of allmost all religions.
So atheists and agnostics seem to be a "reasonable" target for doing it.
No surprise.

Some problems about are that not a few of the preachers

- have a poor understanding of whom don´t think like they do.
- use to have a too high image of their own arguments as almost self evident ones (or that are supported by "logic", "rationality", common sense).
- consistently with the above, they sometimes show lack of respect in their attitudes to others.
- their worldviews are sometimes tied to specific political agendas, anti Science "philosophies" and cultural prejudices.

@ElRengo
Some far more so than others however.

Why it's important to pick the appropriate group.

I totally agree with @bijouxbroussard on this.

Picking the correct goups helps with conflicts. Especially with those that are really pushing to the point of seemingly forcing.

Many of his points reflect Asian, and science points of view. Yet is being forced on others to point of resembling Christian, despite not being any type of Christianity.

This attitude isn't welcomed in atheists. I am not an atheist and even I know this. So I don't push my view points outside of the pagan groups.

There it's welcomed.

Group mutes are being used because of this. I happen to have all Christian groups muted! It helps me to not block others on different topics. Others, even a few Christians, are doing the same on a wide variety of groups.

@DeWayfarer
My friend, I agree that would be desirable and wise to choose the right forums to post.
It would moderate conflict and disrespect.
So I also agree with @bijouxbroussard and with you......in those terms.
But not as it should happen but as it happens, I don´t see that being accomplished any time soon.
And was just pointing to some of the reasons why, not as justification but as part of the explanation.

BTW.......

I frequently if not always have coincidences with @bijouxbroussard in a wider sense (much respect for her).

I´m neither atheist.
But the attitude of not a few of religious (of more than one faith) posters seem to reflect something between ignorance on the nature of Science and some kind of hostility to it.
Those views seem also to carry specific political / ideologic agendas.
AND if you look at the Science related forums you may find how much of such attacks on Science are posted on them.
I sometimes react on those bias and distortion almost regardless the forum in which are posted.
I´m not happy with conflict but if happens for said reason, so it be.

As already said I agree with @bijouxbroussard and with you on what should be.

@ElRengo
FYI he has settled in the beliefs group.

Some good has come out of this! He is no longer jumping nilly-willy from one group to the next.

@DeWayfarer
That´s certainly good.
Even so I´ve seen some people "of the kind" vanishing from time to time and coming back.
Perhaps we should´t put too much hopes on what is far from being an individual behaviour but a social / cultural one.

BTW he also initiated at least some posts in the Evolution forum.

@ElRengo We'll see. Yet given his predisposition for some science as small as it is I suspect he might follow through. Might seem illogical. Yet psychology is a soft science that I'm a tiny bit familiar with.

@DeWayfarer
Congratulations about your familiarity with psychology.
I find it of high value though I have no academic formation on it.

I don´t see at all illogical your prediction.
I agree with it even if probably from another (perhaps converging) approach.