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yrger · 80-89, M
@DocSavage
Hi DocSavage, you state, "As far as we’re concerned there is no difference between your god and the unguided, natural forces I mentioned."
As far as I am concerned, I go further than you because you are near-sighted.
I go to the very ultimate reality which is permanent self-existent God and He created the forces of nature.
You don't think at all to the ultimate reality which is that there is existence, there is never anything that is nothing.
That is the big difference between atheists and theists: Atheists start with nothingness, theists start with existence of the closest thing to mankind which is mankind itself, or for each individual person there is he or she the person that is closest to his/her self.
And from the thing closest to the person, correct rational and intelligent thinking in the person cannot otherwise than the person comes to the ulimate permanent self-existent entity whose essence is reality, so that it could not extinguish itself even if it wanted to.
In brief words, the rational intelligent person cannot otherwise than that he/she starts thinking about his/her origin and ends up with the entity whose essence is reality/existence itself.
You DocSavage cannot start with nothingness, then nothingness became somethingness.
IF YOU START WITH NOTHINGINGNESS THEN IT IS NOTHINGNESS - THE END OF THINKING, PERIOD.
DocSavage · M
Here is my answer why God created the universe, namely: because He wants to produce something as He loves to exercise His power, God is like an artist in mankind - we all humans notice that among ourselves there be persons with artistic talents, and they love to produce beautiful things - as the saying goes, Ars gratia artis (Latin - art for the sake of art i.e. beauty).
So, we’re an art project ?
So we don’t actually need him for anything anymore, do we ? As far as we’re concerned there is no difference between your god and the unguided, natural forces I mentioned. So, why believe in something that serves no purpose ? At least the mythical gods offer the illusion of an afterlife and salvation. Which answers your original question
You’ve god nothing , not even evidence.
Hi DocSavage, you state, "As far as we’re concerned there is no difference between your god and the unguided, natural forces I mentioned."
As far as I am concerned, I go further than you because you are near-sighted.
I go to the very ultimate reality which is permanent self-existent God and He created the forces of nature.
You don't think at all to the ultimate reality which is that there is existence, there is never anything that is nothing.
That is the big difference between atheists and theists: Atheists start with nothingness, theists start with existence of the closest thing to mankind which is mankind itself, or for each individual person there is he or she the person that is closest to his/her self.
And from the thing closest to the person, correct rational and intelligent thinking in the person cannot otherwise than the person comes to the ulimate permanent self-existent entity whose essence is reality, so that it could not extinguish itself even if it wanted to.
In brief words, the rational intelligent person cannot otherwise than that he/she starts thinking about his/her origin and ends up with the entity whose essence is reality/existence itself.
You DocSavage cannot start with nothingness, then nothingness became somethingness.
IF YOU START WITH NOTHINGINGNESS THEN IT IS NOTHINGNESS - THE END OF THINKING, PERIOD.
DocSavage · M
Here is my answer why God created the universe, namely: because He wants to produce something as He loves to exercise His power, God is like an artist in mankind - we all humans notice that among ourselves there be persons with artistic talents, and they love to produce beautiful things - as the saying goes, Ars gratia artis (Latin - art for the sake of art i.e. beauty).
So, we’re an art project ?
So we don’t actually need him for anything anymore, do we ? As far as we’re concerned there is no difference between your god and the unguided, natural forces I mentioned. So, why believe in something that serves no purpose ? At least the mythical gods offer the illusion of an afterlife and salvation. Which answers your original question
You’ve god nothing , not even evidence.