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Rational intelligent thinking brings man to the God of nature.

There are three ways man comes to know God exists:
1. By reasoning
2. By reading the Bible (for Muslims, the Koran)
3. By meditation

I come to know God exists by num 1 i.e. reasoning, but it is the God of nature, that means that God created everything that man encounters in nature, and that by man's natural reason and intelligence.

What about you atheists? You should be able to come to the God of nature, because you have from nature the faculty of reason and of intelligence.

The explanation why you deny even the God of nature to exist, is because you are not natural but un-natural.
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yrger · 80-89, M
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You say, this is my argument:
“We can’t explain how the universe began, therefore it must be God.”

It is correct, because God is the "permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient in nature."

Scientists tell us that the universe has a beginning, so we can implicate therefrom that God exists, see above.






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@yrger [quote]Scientists tell us that the universe has a beginning, so we can implicate therefrom that God exists, see above.[/quote]

Well, if we can implicate from your argument that scientists have essentially said that God exists, then scientists also tell us that, seeing as everything has a beginning, then God must have had a beginning.

So...who created God?
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@yrger [quote]Scientists tell us the universe has a beginning[/quote]

You are incorrect

[b]Science says no such thing.[/b]

I have explained this to you three times... yet you ignore the reality that science does not say the 'material-physical universe' (what other sort is there?) had a beginning

Do you commonly ignore reality?

Is that how you maintain your delusions?

Now that we see your second proposition to be invalid, then the third and the fourth also fail
DocSavage · M
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[b]Human created god[/b]
We make them up to do what we can’t . We give them whatever power and abilities to get the job done. Something can’t come from nothing, first thing god does is break that first rule..god is the lie we use to hide our ignorance.by calling it faith.
[c=009E4F]yrger/chunkhead[/c] you’re using more than 50 words, for the same old bullshit.
yrger · 80-89, M
@newjaninev2 Hi atheists and everybody else whether atheists or not but who is rational and intelligent but negative toward the existence of God, would it be possible for me Yrger the theist here to ask you all guys to in not more than 50 words tell me what is your concept of God?
DocSavage · M
@yrger[c=009E4F]chunkhead[/c]
Tell you what, you start answering our questions instead of twisting them to fit in your bullshit.
DocSavage · M
@yrger[c=009E4F]/chunkhead[/c]
You said something can not come from nothing. Ultimately, your god did the same thing . Even if he’s self existing, there had to be a point before he existed and after he self existed himself. Which means that nothingness is the default state. There is no reasonable explanation why the entire universe cannot come about in the same manner. Like all creationist, you’re impatient. You want everything all at once.