Rational intelligent thinking brings man to the God of nature.

There are three ways man comes to know God exists:
1. By reasoning
2. By reading the Bible (for Muslims, the Koran)
3. By meditation

I come to know God exists by num 1 i.e. reasoning, but it is the God of nature, that means that God created everything that man encounters in nature, and that by man's natural reason and intelligence.

What about you atheists? You should be able to come to the God of nature, because you have from nature the faculty of reason and of intelligence.

The explanation why you deny even the God of nature to exist, is because you are not natural but un-natural.

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yrger · 80-89, M

@DocSavage

You say: "If god can exist without a creator."
I gladly concur with you that God does not need a creator because God and creator are identical.

But the material-physical universe is composed of ultimately particles, and particles need a creator master-mind to bring them into existence as a composite being, and keep them in existence, that is why scientists state the universe has a beginning, i.e. in the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation.

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DocSavage · M
If god can exist without a creator, the universe can exist without a god.
Prove us wrong or shut up.

DocSavage · M

@yrger
Quit the bullshit. You’re not fooling anyone.
If your god can exist without a creator, then anything is possible., the laws of physics don’t apply. Nothing needs a creator. It all came from nothing. No god needed.
You yourself said there are things and people that are independent of god. That means everyone , other than you.
You can have each other, we don’t need either one of you.

yrger · 80-89, M

@yrger Hi atheists and everybody else whether atheists or not but who is rational and intelligent but negative toward the existence of God, would it be possible for me Yrger the theist here to ask you all guys to in not more than 50 words tell me what is your concept of God?