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yrger · 80-89, M
Hi Doc, I suspect that you were some fundamentalist Bible Christian previously, because all your grudges against God have to do with the attributes and narratives about God as portrayed in the Bible.
I am into knowing God from reason.
And my reasoning on the origin of man and the universe tells me that there exists the permanent self-existent spirit I call God, Who is the creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient.
That satisfies my rational intelligent curiosity to explain to myself on ultimate terms how and why I am a human unlike all other living things that are not human.
Humankind is oriented by God toward transcendence, you Doc are no different from the cattle and the donkeys and the frogs.
Okay, tell me what question from you I don't I care to answer.
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DocSavage · M
That is how and why He is God, the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient.
So, tell me yrger what good is he ? God might be self existent spirit. He might be operator of man and universe. What difference does it make ? From our perspective, life is still chance and circumstances. How we live it , is still more or less by our choices.
It been 13-14 billion years now since creation. If god has an agenda for us, what is it ? We live, we die, that’s it. God or no god. What influence we have on others is gone within a few short years.
God’s only value now is in the promise of an afterlife. Without some future reward or fear, we have no reason to care if god is real or not.
That’s the question you refused to answer. If god is reality, do we need to go the whole nine yards. Right , wrong, good , evil ? Do we have free will, or is god operating everything ?
Evidently, you consider his spirit important. What do you get out of it, that you don’t already have.
Think it over.
P.S. this is all based on your description. You say god is our motivation. What for ?
I am into knowing God from reason.
And my reasoning on the origin of man and the universe tells me that there exists the permanent self-existent spirit I call God, Who is the creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient.
That satisfies my rational intelligent curiosity to explain to myself on ultimate terms how and why I am a human unlike all other living things that are not human.
Humankind is oriented by God toward transcendence, you Doc are no different from the cattle and the donkeys and the frogs.
Okay, tell me what question from you I don't I care to answer.
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DocSavage · M
That is how and why He is God, the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient.
So, tell me yrger what good is he ? God might be self existent spirit. He might be operator of man and universe. What difference does it make ? From our perspective, life is still chance and circumstances. How we live it , is still more or less by our choices.
It been 13-14 billion years now since creation. If god has an agenda for us, what is it ? We live, we die, that’s it. God or no god. What influence we have on others is gone within a few short years.
God’s only value now is in the promise of an afterlife. Without some future reward or fear, we have no reason to care if god is real or not.
That’s the question you refused to answer. If god is reality, do we need to go the whole nine yards. Right , wrong, good , evil ? Do we have free will, or is god operating everything ?
Evidently, you consider his spirit important. What do you get out of it, that you don’t already have.
Think it over.
P.S. this is all based on your description. You say god is our motivation. What for ?