Hi atheists, how do you define existence?

On the issue God exists or not, before anything else all humans must concur on what is existence.

I am theistic and I define existence as reality.

What about you atheists, how do you define existtence?

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yrger · 80-89, M

Hi Doc, you state:
"If god is a spirit, if god is beyond space and time, then god does not exist in what we define as reality."

Your definition of reality is deficient because there is reality that is beyond time and space and that is spiritual as distinct from and opposed to material/physical realities.

You do know that the physical/material universe has a beginning, and it is composed of parts and bits and ultimately of particles and particles and particles and particle on and on and on.

Who created the universe and all its particles and particles and particles? Who else but the spiritual being that is God.

That is why I define God as the permanent self-existent spirit creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient.

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DocSavage · M

I am theistic and I define existence as reality

Would that not be just another word for the same thing , not a definition ? Reality = existence.
In case you haven’t realized it. Your definition of existence nullifies your earlier definitions of god.
If god is a spirit, if god is beyond space and time, then god does not exist in what we define as reality.
The Theme of the “Matrix” is reality is not what we believe it to be. It is however reality to those within it. Only someone who can enter or leave it can tell the difference.
Existence is not limited to the reality we know. We can’t see most of the universe, but we can have confidence that what we can’t see obeys the same laws of physics that we observe. No reason to assume otherwise.
Gods defy everything we observe in physics, which should be impossible in our reality. You can’t have it both ways.
So, how do you account for it ?

DocSavage · M

@yrger

Who created the universe and all its particles and particles and particles? Who else but the spiritual being that is God.

Your definition of reality is deficient because there is reality that is beyond time and space and that is spiritual as distinct from and opposed to material/physical realities.

No, I don’t know of any reality that is beyond time and space, that is spiritual. Neither do you. Such a reality is outside the existence of our physical reality, and beyond the human senses to perceive it. There is no evidence to support your claim, therefore I need no evidence to refute it.
( Hitchen’s Razor ) as I stated, we are stuck in this reality, not the make believe one, in which your god supposedly lives in.
“ Who” implies , a conscious, self aware , living being, with an agenda for creation. Why “Who” ?
A “what” could be just as easily been the cause. A little , short burst of energy, that started things in motion. Gone in an instant, while the universe followed , the natural laws of physics, and billions of years later, abiogenesis, evolution, etc. no agenda, no intent, no self awareness. Just cause and effect.
My version is equally possible, and unlike your’s it doesn’t suffer from a lack of evidence. ( Occam’s Razor )