How man can prove God exists.

I am a theist but I like to discuss with atheists how and why they became atheists, and I welcome atheists to discuss with me how and why I am a theist - all like as we are friends.

Why do I come to an atheists' forum, because sooner than later I always get banned in theists' forums.

So, perhaps I will stay indefinitely in your forum - and I like that very much!

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yrger · 80-89, M

Hi Entwistle.

Thanks for your reply, remember we are in a debate on ideas, as you want, not on things, but now you are talking about things. Ha ha.

Okay, you are insisting on that all things are composed of other things and therefore they lack independent existence. I am not challenging that.

Is that a discovery from your part owing to Buddhist meditation. Even without Buddhist meditation a mere child knows that from his intelligence.

What exactly are we debating on now, that nothing is or isn't into its 'selfhood'?

But I am all the way with you on that nothing is independent, period.

Am I insisting on the opposite, that everything is independent?

Hey, you say you want to talk philosophy? Now, it seems that the only philosophy you know is Buddhist philosophy.

And your Buddhist philosophy is into what? Wow! What a discovery, that everything is composed of also things.

The grade school kid knows from science that everything is made up of parts or other things.

Tell me, do Buddfhist masters of learning learn that from Buddhist kind of meditation? And you learn from them. What about you do some intelligent thinking by yourself, okay?

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Entwistle · 51-55, M

@yrger I haven't quoted any Zen koans. The Buddha was a label,a name put on Gautama.
Can you not understand that all things are made up of other things? ...see..I am talking about things.
Does a chocolate cake exist independent from the flour,eggs,milk,chocolate that it is made from? All things are like this..they lack independent selfhood.

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Entwistle · 56-60, M

@yrger Sadly on a moment to moment level we don't perceive that things are made up of other things..we see and assume things exist independently.
We assume there is a 'me' and outside of me is 'everything else'. That is duality.
The dualistic mind. Which is ignorance,which causes all suffering.