How man can prove God exists.

[quote]I still think you’re being too human in your belief. I have no idea what preceded creation of our existence, but I do not believe that it was ,living, conscience, or self aware. -Doc
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Hi Doc, you say that "I do not believe that it(god) was ,living, conscience, or self aware."

You seem, please forgive me, to talk without serious thinking, and afterwards without serious thinking on what you did say without serious thinking.

You should do serious thinking on why you are angry at god, it could be you are fearful of god, and instead of reconciling with god, you resort to anger against god, as some kind of self-exorcism from god.

That is not going to work.

Get yourself reconciled with god, god is not going to bite you.

Just tell god, Hi god, thanks for creating me.

@yrger
I see. Sorry to disillusion you, but I mean what I say. There is nothing to reconcile, and no one, to reconcile with.

[quote]I see. Sorry to disillusion you, but I mean what I say. There is nothing to reconcile, and no one, to reconcile with. -Doc
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Here is how to arrive at god:
1. There has always been existence instead of non-existence i.e. nothingness. True.
2. We humans are transient entities, i.e. here today and gone tomorrow. True.
3. Transient humans implicate necessarily and ultimately the existence of a permanent self-existing entity. True.
4. This permanent self-existing entity fits the following description:
"It is the ultimately first cause of everything with a beginning like you and me and the whole universe. True.
5. Therefore that entity exists. True.
6. I call that entity, god. True.

@yrger
I really don’t see an entity in this or a need for one. The evidence as I said points to some kind of catalyst. But not necessarily one that requires self awareness or conscious intent. Or continued existence. The evidence we do have makes it very unlikely.

@yrger [quote] You should do serious thinking on why you are angry at god, it could be you are fearful of god, and instead of reconciling with god, you resort to anger against god, as some kind of self-exorcism from god.[/quote]
For the record, I long ago stopped believing in god being a living entity . It has nothing do with anger or fear. It’s more about practicality.
Consider this as a simple example.
Millions of years ago. A species of dinosaurs, started growing hair as a evolutionary response to the environment. It worked, and over several generations, with natural selection, the hairs developed into feathers. The feathers lead to a new ability, flight. Changing everything you now have birds. A intelligent creator, could have started out with birds. If he wanted flying animals, why make it difficult ?
You have an infinite universe, and billions of years to work with. If you’re immortal, you got your plan, you got the power. Why wait ?
Everything we do know about creation, says it was a result of elements and conditions coming together. Life continues, Hit or miss , sooner or later you get lucky. Even if there’s no longer a god watching.

@yrger [quote] 3. Transient humans implicate necessarily and ultimately the existence of a permanent self-existing entity. True.
4. This permanent self-existing entity fits the following description:
"It is the ultimately first cause of everything with a beginning like you and me and the whole universe. True.[/quote]
Not true. Assuming this entity has some form of energy which you labeled the “first cause” is there any reason to believe, that power is limitless ?
Realistically, it would only be needed once to get things moving. Your entity could die in the event, and still be the “first cause”
There is also the probability that the task could be mechanical in nature.
Since there is no evidence as to what preceded creation, there is no reason in creation to believe it’s biological. There are no similar beings with even a fraction of that kind of power.
To quote the late, great Vernon Dent you theory is
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"Completely illogical, preponderantly impracticable, and moreover - it stinks!"[/quote]

@yrger[quote] You should do serious thinking on why you are angry at god, it could be you are fearful of god, and instead of reconciling with god, you resort to anger against god[/quote]
So far this is the third discussion I’ve had this week about my opinion of god’s nature. In each one, I’ve been told that not only do I not understand god and his message, but that my real reason for disbelief is anger or hatred.
Has it ever occurred to any one. That a immortal, maximum super powered ,invisible genie, who can create and manipulate matter and energy with a mere though, and lives outside time and space.
Is just really, really ridiculous ?