How man can prove God exists.

I am a theist but I like to discuss with atheists how and why they became atheists, and I welcome atheists to discuss with me how and why I am a theist - all like as we are friends.

Why do I come to an atheists' forum, because sooner than later I always get banned in theists' forums.

So, perhaps I will stay indefinitely in your forum - and I like that very much!

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SW-User

I can't think of a debate more pointless and redundant than that between a theist and atheist. If you believe in God, just believe in God...it's stupid to try to convince other people of that belief or to attempt to rationalize it with them when they are so fundamentally opposed to it.

Zonuss · 41-45, M

@SW-User Lack of personal or [b] supernatural [/b] experiences is why atheist beings are clueless about the world we live in. Many of us know what's on the other side and that alone adds to the depth and meaning of our very existence.

SW-User

@Zonuss They don't want to understand the concept of God. I get that some atheists are discouraged by religion though, and in the West there is no exposure to the more positive aspects of religion now because people just aren't interested.

yrger · 80-89, M

@SW-User Hi Exotic, here is my ten steps proof for the existence of god:

How to come to the existence of god:
1. We exist. True.
2. We did not bring ourselves into existence. True.
3. So something else brought us into existence. True.
4. We humans are intelligent, are logical, are curious, are investigative. True.
5. We from investigation of existence conclude that there are ultimately two kinds of existence. True.
6. The two kinds of existence are ultimately (a) permanent existence, (b) transient existence. True.
7. Transient existence like us humans depends on permanent existence to come to existence. True.
8. Permanent existence is god. True.
9. Therefore god exists. True.
10. Otherwise we have no ultimate explanation for our existence. True.

This is the definition of god:
"God is the permanent self-existent container of all things, and the creator and operator of man and the universe and everything that is not God Himself." True.

Zonuss · 41-45, M

@SW-User Exactly. They reject any rational logic behind this debate. One being the actual tomb of [b]Jesus.[/b]
The tomb of [b]King Solomon.[/b]
The Tabernacle. The tomb of [b]David.[/b] And a ton of [b] artifacts and relics[/b] mentioned in the [b]Bible. [/b]
They don't even believe their own [b] science.[/b] But they believe [b] dinosaurs[/b] 🦖 existed. Go figure.😂

DocSavage · M

@yrger
[quote] How to come to the existence of god:
1. We exist. True.
2. We did not bring ourselves into existence. True.
3. So something else brought us into existence. True.
4. We humans are intelligent, are logical, are curious, are investigative. True.
5. We from investigation of existence conclude that there are ultimately two kinds of existence. True.
6. The two kinds of existence are ultimately (a) permanent existence, (b) transient existence. True.
7. Transient existence like us humans depends on permanent existence to come to existence. True.
8. Permanent existence is god. True.
9. Therefore god exists. True.
10. Otherwise we have no ultimate explanation for our existence. True.
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1) true
2) false - it was not a conscience, informed choice, true . But a combination of elements.
3) false - those aforementioned elements combined in a unprecedented manner.
4) true - we are however limited by the data we have to work with
5) false - “A” is clearly theoretical at best ”B” is not
6) false - again
7) false - transient beings developed, the process does not require a permanent existence. As long the environment can support it , it can continue without assistance or guidance.
8) false - some jelly fish do not age. Making them permanent. But by no means what we might consider “god” nor is it necessary for “god” to be permanent.
9) false - the conclusion is not supported by the data.
10 j false - ultimately we do not have the data to justify the claim. Available evidence of life by natural means outweighs the speculation of supernatural means. In short, you got nothing.
As I stated before. You are too human in your thinking.
If a creator god does exist, then, he operates on a scale far beyond our understanding. The Earth is not the center of the universe. You can’t define your god based only on the assumptions you experience, without considering the rest of “creation” . And you are either unaware or ignoring the science we do have regarding both Earth and the universe. There are telescopes. And there’s the science of biology. Which, last time I checked, does not include any “ permanent life” listed.
And, it’s a very long , leap of faith in the science of physics, to manipulate matter and energy without some form of instrumentation. Assuming your god does it that way.
As I said in the beginning. God is too impractical and unrealistic for me. But, that’s the point. God is impossible.