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Science Lesson For The Atheists

In occidental culture, in general, the believers promulgate the apparent illusion of their possession of a superior morality. Why? Because it perpetuates their ideology. Their world view. "You don't believe what I believe so you're going to hell." How myopic and obtuse. Because religion, in that culture specifically, either as a result of the ideology or to support it, took upon itself political adversity with the emerging intelligentsia. Since that adversary arose from the illusion and the obvious logical flaws it had incorporated historically - hypocrisy, ignorance, xenophobia, oppression, repression, and violence through military, legislative and social dominance - by support of the masses, there are some important lessons to be learned from it.

The teachings of the believers was full of holes. They weren't harmonious with the source. In order for, or as a result of the implementation of their sociopolitical illusion it was necessarily so. Their ideology wasn't compatible with their teachings. That doesn't matter. It's a small sacrifice because their ideology is what became important.

So, there's this reality created from that transmogrification of the source and mythology. If I had to define religion that's pretty much how I would put it. That's also how I would describe the world around me. Reality. The sacred and profane. Secular and religious. Quixotic and mundane.

So there is this logical excursion that should be derived from this turn of events. Critically examine, explore, educate, illuminate. Or, instead, just repeat it. Argue, judge, sentence and eliminate. Become your enemy. Just another side of the ideological coin of reality. The world view.

[Laughs] My theory is that the latter is what is happening to science. That's what I mean when I say "the end" is near and that science will destroy the world. Science isn't a religion, it's a byproduct of religion. Created by religion: the student becomes the master. Science is not only eliminating religion it is surpassing it.

The lesson for atheists, or just the unbeliever, is that it doesn't matter if religion and the Bible is wrong and nonsense, because it is the formed "reality" and instead of arguing what is right and wrong, perhaps you should look at it like that.

From my perspective, from my Biblically founded perception of reality, it's done. So, stopping it isn't anywhere near my priority. My priority is simply observation.

That's why I want an exchange of ideas here. I want to learn, not from the books of science, but from adversity. Both sides. Without the propaganda.

It astounds me that those who wear scientific methodology on their sleeves are painfully unaware or unwilling to do that. Not for the historical preservation of the vanquished. To educate so as not to repeat history. But rather, for the ideological replacement.

Right and wrong. Us and them. A far more compelling process than science. As it had been with the adversary. So the illusion propagated by the unbelievers is of intellectual superiority.

Yeah, I know, I know. It is funny. So is the illusion of the religious of moral superiority.

So . . . if I'm right in my Biblically founded perspective then you will attempt to destroy all that I believe in but God will intervene. Science will be taken from your cold dead hands and placed into mine. Not by me. Not by my argument or my violence. By God. So, if I'm wrong nothing happens through my will.

If you're right you will destroy first science and then the world.

If I'm right everyone who follows ideological science will be destroyed. If you're right everyone will be destroyed.
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ViciDraco · 36-40, M
It is true that science as we know it was first undertaken by the religious seeking to get closer to God through the understanding of his works.

However, to call it a byproduct or a replacement requires significantly more support for the position.

Science is not a set of beliefs but a process to arrive at, refine, and correct beliefs as new information comes in. To dogmatically select a belief and defend it counter to all provided evidence is not science. It is a failure of the human to be open to new information.

However, there is a difference between being open to new information and being open to misinformation.

I do not understand what end you believe science is leading us towards. You have made no explanation of how science destroys us.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@ViciDraco [quote]It is true that science as we know it was first undertaken by the religious seeking to get closer to God through the understanding of his works.[/quote]
Really? What makes you believe that?
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
@ninalanyon because of who we credit as early scientists. I did specify 'as we know it' because trying to discover the truth of our world obviously predates even religion.
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ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@AkioTsukino What are you on about?
@ViciDraco

[quote]Science is not a set of beliefs but a process to arrive at, refine, and correct beliefs as new information comes in. To dogmatically select a belief and defend it counter to all provided evidence is not science. It is a failure of the human to be open to new information.[/quote]

I ask you - do you understand that the Biblical and the theological are not the same? Similarly, the Science and the dogma are not the same. So, my Biblical approach is scientific as you describe it. Theology isn't necessarily in line with that. Put simply, the Bible, science, theology, are all vulnerable to dogmatic uh . . . what's the word . . . abuse and neglect. People screw things up. They often have an agenda.

[quote]I do not understand what end you believe science is leading us towards. You have made no explanation of how science destroys us.[/quote]

In summery, very quickly, from the Bible. The term us here applies to the world. That is ungodly people. God created man to live forever upon the earth and he will. Just not all of the people. After a brief prologue that tells of the creation of the heavens and earth, concluding with mankind, and Adam's "fall" the Bible is about a division. God's people and Satan's people.

Fast forward to what brings the end. Satan's people attack God's people. God ends Satan and his people. God's people live forever.

Practically, from the perspective of the unbeliever, how could they see those events unfolding? The Plandemic should have been an eye opener. Chemical and biological warfare. From an unbeliever's perspective, that is without God as a necessary factor at least directly, why would they destroy us?
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DocSavage · M
@AkioTsukino
Question. The Big Bang Theory was present by a priest. Was it based on a religious belief, or based on the repeatedly observed fact of expansion ?
Are the galaxies moving or not ?
DocSavage · M
@AkioTsukino
That’s will cost you two more.
[quote] Fast forward to what brings the end. Satan's people attack God's people. God ends Satan and his people. God's people live forever. [/quote]
Until you can prove your god, people are free to disagree and question it.
God is not an established fact for the rest of us. We are not Satan’s people.
Stop making false claims.
@DocSavage [quote]Until you can prove your god, people are free to disagree and question it.[/quote]

Nonsense. People are free to disagree and question it regardless.

[quote]God is not an established fact for the rest of us. We are not Satan’s people.[/quote]

Irrelevant.

[quote]Stop making false claims.[/quote]

Claims? I offer interpretation of the Bible. You, for your part, can refute those. [c=A69800]Specifically[/c] those.