The End Is Near

@redredred [quote]So your god created humanity and put a temptation in front of them he knew they would go for. As a result of their failure, all humans are born with a sin. To make up for this sin he sends himself as his own son to be a sacrifice to himself to save humanity from the damnation he himself would impose on them.

A bit circular, no?[/quote]

Haven't we done this? Or is it just that I've done it countless times with others. It's like there's a string on the back of a doll you pull and you get that poorly recorded audio. There's maybe 5 or 6 prerecorded messages that loop and all the "atheist" dolls have the same message. I'm sure you feel that way about theists, so we're just wasting our time and if it weren't for our egos we would have enough sense to find something better to do.

Here's where you are wrong. 1. It wasn't a temptation, it was a warning. 2. God didn't know how it would go, he knew it could go two distinctly different ways. 3. It isn't a result of their failure it is the continuing practical effect of an historical event. 3. Jehovah and Jesus aren't the same. Jehovah created Jesus, he existed in spirit form in heaven prior to coming here in physical form. Spirit simply means unseen; wind, breath, compelled mental inclination and spirit beings, heaven means high, above. The father and the son are not the same beings. 4. To accept the sacrifice is an individual choice. Humanity in a general sense will be preserved, but those rejecting the proposal, either by choice or failure to demonstrate compatibility for the new system. 5. If, by damnation you mean hell, that isn't a Bible teaching. It was adopted by the apostate church. The result of rejecting Jehovah's rightful sovereignty is eternal destruction. It is, in fact, exactly what you probably think happens to everyone upon death anyway. Just death.

@AkioTsukino Here’s where you’re wrong
THERES NO SUCH THING AS A GOD!!!!

It’s all childish delusion and hopeful fantasy. Grow up.

@redredred You don't know anything.

@AkioTsukino I know I didn’t fall for a childish superstition about invisible sky friends who do favors if you say the right magic words.

@redredred And I didn't fall for a failed metaphysical experiment in eugenics about monkeys turning into people because I'm a socio-politically frustrated minority.

@AkioTsukino Monkeys? I’ve never heard of such a theory. Tell me more

@AkioTsukino [quote]Actually. No. [/quote]

Actually. Yes.

I’d be happy to educate you on the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection... it seems to be necessary, so I’d like to at least make the offer.

@redredred It all makes no sense.

@newjaninev2 Maybe you didn't see my last response to your generous offer? We can have an exchange of ideas. I was actually surprised at how effective that was. Almost as effective as asking an atheist questions about their beliefs. You want them to shut up? Ask them something. Better yet, make 'em work for it.

We make trade?

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@AkioTsukino Did anybody else spot this bit [quote]God didn't know how it would go, he knew it could go two distinctly different ways.[/quote]
And yet he is god , all knower blah blah

@AkioTsukino [quote]We can have an exchange of ideas[/quote]

Let’s begin with an exchange of evidence

After all, without evidence we could just be inventing convenient fictions, right?

@GeniUs Remember, the biblical God character was totally incompetent at some things.

@AkioTsukino Cool video, is it a metaphor for religious belief systems?

@Diotrephes [quote]Remember, the biblical God character was totally incompetent at some things.[/quote]

Lying is the only thing that comes to mind.

@redredred [quote]Cool video, is it a metaphor for religious belief systems?[/quote]

I'm detecting sarcasm, oh, red one.

I don't know which video you refer to. South Park or The Lone Ranger.

South Park was a metaphor for religious belief systems. Evolution. The Lone Ranger was a metaphor for a possible exchange of ideas between me and @newjaninev2. Though willing, it is against my better judgment. A bad trade.

@AkioTsukino Do you believe in Jesus as your God?

@AkioTsukino Yep, the biblical God is a liar and a deceiver but he wasn't totally incompetent at that because billions of people still believe his lies.

I'll give you a chance to read the story again and, if you don't find the passages where God is totally incompetent I will give you the instances.

@AkioTsukino [quote]religious belief systems. Evolution[/quote]

Just to be clear...

are you claiming that the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection is a ‘religious belief system'

@newjaninev2 [quote]Just to be clear...

are you claiming that the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection is a ‘religious belief system'[/quote]

Yes.

@AkioTsukino and what are the defining characteristics of a 'religious belief system’?

@AkioTsukino Evolution is anything but religious since it can be demonstrated conclusively in a genetics lab. Something you cannot do for your superstition.

@redredred “I believe in evidence. I believe in observation, measurement, and reasoning, confirmed by independent observers. I'll believe anything, no matter how wild and ridiculous, if there is evidence for it. The wilder and more ridiculous something is, however, the firmer and more solid the evidence will have to be.”
[i]Isaac Asimov (The Roving Mind)[/i]