Today's Question For Atheists
Since you believe there to be no God/gods how would you answer the question of the existence of Lords. Are there any Lords?
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SatanBurger · 36-40, F
AkioTsukino · M
@SatanBurger But I didn't say anything about snakes. I was asking if atheists believed in the existence of lords because they don't believe in the existence of gods. They are the same thing. The reason they can't believe that literal gods exist is that they confuse all gods with God, which is silly because even the definition of atheism itself includes both gods and God. But it doesn't matter anyway because they are just going to insist there can be no literal gods because their world view is dictated by the definition.
You see, they've been indoctrinated.
You see, they've been indoctrinated.
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
@AkioTsukino the term god implies some level of supernatural power. Be it the biblical god or an ancient Greek god or an old Norse god.
The term Lord only implies authority. Humans can have authority, there is nothing supernatural there.
The term Lord only implies authority. Humans can have authority, there is nothing supernatural there.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@AkioTsukino This is very illogical, the god of the bible and gods generally have supernatural powers, lords as in rulers who are human don't. I also don't see how people can "believe in lords," lords are part of a certain type of Govt system whether we believe in them or not, they're still there whether by force or voting.
AkioTsukino · M
@SatanBurger [quote]This is very illogical, the god of the bible and gods generally have supernatural powers, lords as in rulers who are human don't. I also don't see how people can "believe in lords," lords are part of a certain type of Govt system whether we believe in them or not, they're still there whether by force or voting.[/quote]
It is an illogical excursion based upon an uninformed bias. The gods of the Bible are both supernatural and natural. Gods in the Bible include spirit beings. Jehovah, angels (and other ranks of spirit beings) including Satan and Michael. It also includes piles of rock, gold, silver, wood and idols made of those things.
The Bible also calls Moses and the judges of Israel gods.
Words and their meanings are very important. Satan means adversary. Devil means slanderer. Soul means breather. Spirit means unseen active force producing results like wind, breath, mental inclination, spirit beings holy spirit (Jehovah God's active force). Cosmos means adornment. Sin means miss the mark. Lord means having authority, most often granted by another and god means mighty/venerated.
When the Bible uses the Hebrew word satan without the definite article it can apply to anyone, supernatural or mortal, who is an adversary to something else. Anything else. Adversarial in general. When it says Satan (Hebrew Ha Satan) it applies exclusively to Satan the Devil. Keep in mind Lucifer isn't Satan's name, it is a word meaning light bearer, daystar, morning star in Hebrew, Greek and Latin. It was applied only once in the Bible and not to Satan but to Nebuchadnezzar, and the Babylonian dynasty.
When I say god, you think God. When the Bible says god it means anything or anyone mighty or venerated. When the Bible says God (definite article Ha El; The God) it applies exclusively to Jehovah. Now at Exodus 4:16; 7:1 Jehovah God says to Moses that he would be God to Aaron and Pharaoh. Hebrew elohim. So, the term God is subjective. To worshipers of Zeus he was God. And a god. But in classic Latin, which they spoke, they didn't use the word god (dii) in that way because all gods had names. In Islam Allah is, literally al lah, the God.
You can't say all other gods are false, from a Biblical perspective, because the Judges, Moses, were all true. You can't say that pagan gods are false because it's subjective. Deification is in the eye of the beholder. If Jehovah God existed by himself, as indeed he did before creation, he wouldn't be a god or God because there was no one there to see him as God. To make him their God.
Most of all you can't say that no gods literally exist, because some do and some don't. Some require faith and some do not. Some are supernatural and some are not. Some have supernatural powers and some do not.
You can't say that all gods are acting as if they were gods because they aren't necessarily doing that. Jesus, Moses, the Judges, Satan, didn't or don't. Moloch, Baal, Dagon, Ashtoreth, Tammuz certainly wasn't.
The only thing that all gods, literal, figurative, mythological, historical, supernatural, mortal, inanimate, current, past or present, in any language, culture, time or place have in common, is might perceived by another and attributed to that person, place or thing.
It is an illogical excursion based upon an uninformed bias. The gods of the Bible are both supernatural and natural. Gods in the Bible include spirit beings. Jehovah, angels (and other ranks of spirit beings) including Satan and Michael. It also includes piles of rock, gold, silver, wood and idols made of those things.
The Bible also calls Moses and the judges of Israel gods.
Words and their meanings are very important. Satan means adversary. Devil means slanderer. Soul means breather. Spirit means unseen active force producing results like wind, breath, mental inclination, spirit beings holy spirit (Jehovah God's active force). Cosmos means adornment. Sin means miss the mark. Lord means having authority, most often granted by another and god means mighty/venerated.
When the Bible uses the Hebrew word satan without the definite article it can apply to anyone, supernatural or mortal, who is an adversary to something else. Anything else. Adversarial in general. When it says Satan (Hebrew Ha Satan) it applies exclusively to Satan the Devil. Keep in mind Lucifer isn't Satan's name, it is a word meaning light bearer, daystar, morning star in Hebrew, Greek and Latin. It was applied only once in the Bible and not to Satan but to Nebuchadnezzar, and the Babylonian dynasty.
When I say god, you think God. When the Bible says god it means anything or anyone mighty or venerated. When the Bible says God (definite article Ha El; The God) it applies exclusively to Jehovah. Now at Exodus 4:16; 7:1 Jehovah God says to Moses that he would be God to Aaron and Pharaoh. Hebrew elohim. So, the term God is subjective. To worshipers of Zeus he was God. And a god. But in classic Latin, which they spoke, they didn't use the word god (dii) in that way because all gods had names. In Islam Allah is, literally al lah, the God.
You can't say all other gods are false, from a Biblical perspective, because the Judges, Moses, were all true. You can't say that pagan gods are false because it's subjective. Deification is in the eye of the beholder. If Jehovah God existed by himself, as indeed he did before creation, he wouldn't be a god or God because there was no one there to see him as God. To make him their God.
Most of all you can't say that no gods literally exist, because some do and some don't. Some require faith and some do not. Some are supernatural and some are not. Some have supernatural powers and some do not.
You can't say that all gods are acting as if they were gods because they aren't necessarily doing that. Jesus, Moses, the Judges, Satan, didn't or don't. Moloch, Baal, Dagon, Ashtoreth, Tammuz certainly wasn't.
The only thing that all gods, literal, figurative, mythological, historical, supernatural, mortal, inanimate, current, past or present, in any language, culture, time or place have in common, is might perceived by another and attributed to that person, place or thing.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@AkioTsukino Sounds like you're reaching.