You know what they say about assumptions [I Am An Atheist]

@Adstar More like deductive reasoning. 9/10 times the encounters I have consists of christians having these preconceived notions about me, plus I’m in multiple discussion groups full of similar conversations/debates. And then there’s the fact that christian propaganda movies have a tendency of framing atheists as antagonists who’ve lost their faith due to some tragedy in their life.

@Zenyatta Well yes from personal experience most ex-Christian atheists have been antagonistic.. That's not a prejudiced view, that's an experienced phenomenon.. And that's kind of understandable if a person comes to believe they have been lied to in their early lives then they can become antagonistic to people who hold what they consider a lie to be the truth..

I have met a few atheists who where never religious and they more often seem to be curious and discuss Christianity in a more inquisitive way rather then a emotionally triggered way which a lot of Ex-Christian atheists do..

As for Christians asking questions about an ex-Christians past experiences.. That's a case of eliminating reasons as they investigate the atheists reasons for coming to disbelieve Christianity.. So they go to what they perceive as the most common issues and go from there.. And yeah a lot of ex-Christians became that way because they experienced a personal tragedy or trauma in life.. So it is reasonable for a Christian to test the waters their first.. All an atheists has to do is say.. Nope that's not the reason why i disbelieved,, i disbelieved because [ insert reason here ] and continue the conversation..

@Adstar For one your anecdotes mean nothing to me. Second you don’t live in a country that’s a borderline theocracy, I live in a state where you can literally lose your job and be kicked out of your town for being atheist. Third, your last point unironically caves in on itself. “ As for Christians asking questions about an ex-Christians past experiences.. That's a case of eliminating reasons as they investigate the atheists reasons for coming to disbelieve Christianity.. So they go to what they perceive as the most common issues and go from there” that by definition is being prejudice as well as projecting.

@Zenyatta [quote]Second you don’t live in a country that’s a borderline theocracy, I live in a state where you can literally lose your job and be kicked out of your town for being atheist.[/quote]

Whats that got to do with the topic of God existing or not existing? Nothing.. Your talking about human authorities making human laws.. Not God and His revealed will.. Oh and What country do i live in?

[quote]“ As for Christians asking questions about an ex-Christians past experiences.. That's a case of eliminating reasons as they investigate the atheists reasons for coming to disbelieve Christianity.. So they go to what they perceive as the most common issues and go from there” that by definition is being prejudice as well as projecting.[/quote]

No it's not.. It's the same as a doctor asking a new patient who has presented with a lung condition if they have ever smoked? Is the doctor being prejudiced against the patient?. Nope. He is just going through a check list doctors go through to eliminate or identify causational factors in the patients lung condition..

@Adstar You are an outsider who knows nothing about Americans other than what’s seen in the media, you have absolutely no place to talk. So how can you talk as if you know our laws, laws from lawmakers who base them from biblical teachings which you will whole heartedly deny as being christian.

Plus you’re analogy doesn’t work here. And with the language you’re using you’re clearly biased

@Zenyatta The Laws of the USA are irrelevant to the existence or otherwise of God.. Why did you even bring up the topic?

The Law of the my LORD Jesus is to love my enemy and do good to those who hate and persecute me.. Looking at the USA which the most powerful military in the world and a willingness to use it on multiple occasions i can say without hesitation that the USA and for that matter all the nations on earth do not follow the teachings of the LORD Jesus Christ..

And anyway the LORD Jesus Never tells Christians to impose the Law OT or otherwise upon unbelievers.. The Law is a teacher showing all who are convicted by the law that they are transgresses of the Law needing the Atonement of Jesus to be Saved..

Oh and anyone can be labeled biased.. anyone who believes anything.. Same as you don't believe in God.. Your Biased right...

@Adstar Ah the no true Scotsman fallacy. You’re not even nuanced on the many forms of christianity practiced in the states nor its laws and yet condemn an entire country for not being up to what your subjective ideal of what christianity is, you cannot pick choose who are true followers of whatever doctrine. And the fact you have to ask why I bring up my nationality shows that you’ve completely lost the plot or incredibly disingenuous

@Zenyatta Wow i wish i had a dollar for every time some athiest has typed in ""true Scotsman" in the belief it disqualifies the statement there are true Christians and false Christians.. They think all they have to do is type that is and they don't have to face the reality of the point..

And then there is the oft atheist tactic of putting words into a Christians mouth.. Words that they have never said.. Trying to build a straw man they can then burn..

[quote]""You’re not even nuanced on the many forms of Christianity practiced in the states nor its laws and [b][u][c=#003BB2]yet condemn an entire country [/c][/u][/b]for not being up to what your subjective ideal of what Christianity is""[/quote]

I never condemned an entire country anywhere.. You have put those words into my mouth..

Yes i can use the Holy Bible as a measuring stick to define what a true and a false Christian is.. Jesus sets the template and if one does not believe the teachings of Jesus then one does not believe Jesus and thus one is not a Christian.. Simple..

[quote]And the fact you have to ask why I bring up my nationality shows that you’ve completely lost the plot or incredibly disingenuous[/quote]

clutching at straws still trying to build a strawman..

@Adstar Yes your statement is by definition a no true scottsman fallacy I 100% stand by this. And you make it even more apparent by not even trying to prove me wrong. Show me precisely how the US politicians, governors, and lawmakers, congress who 91% of classify themselves as Christians don’t represent christian values.
“ Looking at the USA which the most powerful military in the world and a willingness to use it on multiple occasions i can say without hesitation that the USA and for that matter all the nations on earth do not follow the teachings of the LORD Jesus Christ..” these are literally your words.


“ Yes i can use the Holy Bible as a measuring stick to define what a true and a false Christian is.. Jesus sets the template and if one does not believe the teachings of Jesus then one does not believe Jesus and thus one is not a Christian.. Simple..” Again are you going to do that or are you just blowing smoke?

And lastly, me bringing up my nationality is not a straw man. You on other hand came to my post with nothing but strawmen.

“ Well then express honestly your reason for being an atheist..
And why would you consider those two statements to arise from prejudice?
You are doing as much if not more assuming yourself..”
Firstly you didn’t even wonder what the context of what the conversations I’ve had were that lead to this post, you are literally doing the very thing you’re accusing me of.

@Zenyatta

Ok, Jesus said Love thine enemy. and do not resist those who persecute you..

What percentage of the members of congress support the existence of the Armed US defense forces? A force of armed combatants designed to kill enemies?

Then take that percentage and lets see how many of them do not believe in the concept of self defense?

Jesus said Do not judge for if you judge so shall you be judged..

Ok now with the remaining numbers ( i seriously doubt there would even be one congress member left) but lets just suppose there are.. How many of them support the judicial system designed to pass judgement upon law breakers.. Fining or putting them in prison and even executing them for serious crimes?

Do you have any congress members remaining? Can you name a member of congress that does not believe having a military is justified, who believes that self defense is not justified? who believes that the judicial system and the prison system is unjustified?

You will not find One..

@Adstar Nice pivot, and by that I mean incredibly low effort. All you are doing is literally strawmanning while trying to get me to answer the question that I originally directed to you, because again your knowledge of the US is barely surface level.
“ Jesus said Do not judge for if you judge so shall you be judged” You are unironically doing this as we speak, and seeing from your posts I’m starting to think you don’t practice what you preach. I also see that you areal do the type of person to delete others comments when they call you you out on your shit.
“ Do you have any congress members remaining? Can you name a member of congress that does not believe having a military is justified, who believes that self defense is not justified? who believes that the judicial system and the prison system is unjustified? ” Barbara Lee, Ilhan Omar, Karen Bass, Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib. I gave you 5, you are pretty much embarrassing yourself at this point.

@Zenyatta
[quote]“ Jesus said Do not judge for if you judge so shall you be judged” You are unironically doing this as we speak, [/quote]

No i am not passing any judgement upon them.. Don't you know that the word judgement has two different meanings both often closely related? The Word judgement in regard to the teachings Jesus was giving was related to carrying out ""judgement / punishments" upon people.. Christians are not to imprison. whip, stone to death, or inflict monetary penalties upon people.. That's the judgement Jesus was talking about.. But saying someone is wrong or is not a Christian is not carrying out punishments upon them..

[quote]Barbara Lee, Ilhan Omar, Karen Bass, Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib.[/quote]

As far as i know Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib are confessed muslims

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_members_of_the_United_States_Congress

confirmed in the above site..

And as such they must believe in the judgements required to be carried out by muslims in the quran for blasphemy against islam, for leaving islam and engaging in homosexual intercourse to name a few. The penalty for these is the death penalty in the quran.. If they claim to be muslims and they do not believe in the death penalty then they are false muslims and have left their religion and are both under a death penalty from all devout muslims..

As for the rest i do not know.. I have not read their statements of faith..

@Adstar Well for one you never specified if they needed to be christian and also that would still be three. Three more than what you boldly assumed.

Judgement- the ability to make considered decisions or come to sensible conclusions. Examples”
The Law of the my LORD Jesus is to love my enemy and do good to those who hate and persecute me.. Looking at the USA which the most powerful military in the world and a willingness to use it on multiple occasions i can say without hesitation that the USA and for that matter all the nations on earth do not follow the teachings of the LORD Jesus Christ..”
“Do you have any congress members remaining? Can you name a member of congress that does not believe having a military is justified, who believes that self defense is not justified? who believes that the judicial system and the prison system is unjustified?

You will not find One..“ technically this one would be an example of being prejudiced

@Zenyatta [quote]Judgement- the ability to make considered decisions or come to sensible conclusions. Examples”[/quote]

Thats only one type of judgement and you know it... The other type of judgement that i highlighted is valid and you know it..

[quote]“Do you have any congress members remaining? Can you name a member of congress that does not believe having a military is justified, who believes that self defense is not justified? who believes that the judicial system and the prison system is unjustified?

[b][c=#800000]You will not find One[/c][/b]..“[/quote]

Well maybe i was wrong, there may be one or two Christians in the US congress but i still doubt it.. And the positon is either true or not.. predgudice has nothing to do with it..

@Adstar
Thats only one type of judgement and you know it... The other type of judgement that i highlighted is valid and you know it..
Dude I stopped reading half of your responses so I genuinely don’t know what you’re going on about.

prejudice-
preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.

You literally came under the assumption without personal knowledge of US congressmen and assumed their beliefs and you still continue to do this.