I Am An Atheist

I am an anti-theistic agnostic atheist and a skeptic and I do not believe in a god or gods.

Theists seem to believe their god is an elderly white haired man with a beard sitting on a cloud and I believe that is completely ludicrous but that is what religious art work has portrayed for hundreds of years. Millions of them believe that kindly looking gentleman created the universe about 5000 years ago.

There may have been a force that played a part in the creation of the universe and everything in it.

There may have been, but I don't know so I am not going to worry about it.

There are far, far more things in this universe that I will never understand than things that I will. I am still trying to grasp the concept of a "Multi-verse".

If a "force" does exist that created the universe it would be a force that is so far beyond our comprehension that we have neither the language to describe it nor the intelligence to understand it.

Yet theists talk about "God's will" as if they not only understand this force but they also know what it is thinking. They are saying "We can read the mind of a force that created the universe". They can read their god's mind but have difficulty balancing their cheque book.

If that force does exist, is "create" even the correct term, or are theists simply reducing the process to something they can grasp, something they are not afraid of.

Theists like to use words like "Create", "Holy", "God", words that they can understand, that they can wrap their minds around, that they can picture in their imagination. Rather than just accepting there are things in this universe they can't comprehend, theists have reduced this possible "force" to something they can.

An old man, sitting on a cloud.

Theists can understand that image.

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Furiousfrog · 31-35, M

Jesus loves you anyway

lostcanadian · 70-79, M

Putting aside the the strong possibility that Jesus never existed other than a christian construct fashioned after pagan gods like Mithra how do you know he loves me? What evidence do you have that would show that he does? What evidence do you have that he even existed?

Furiousfrog · 31-35, M

That's cute

DFDGsdfffss · M

@lostcanadian: I hate it when people say that jesus loves you after you basically said he doesnt exist.

Person 1: He does not exist! He is nobody
Person 2: he loves you anyway
Person 1: ok. Great to know that nobody loves me.

Furiousfrog · 31-35, M

I honestly don't believe, but if you are sure of your beliefs, opposite views wouldn't bother you.

DFDGsdfffss · M

@Furiousfrog: it just puts me down when my mother starts an exorcism on me and doesnt talk to me anymore😔

lostcanadian · 70-79, M

@Furiousfrog: Opposite views don't bother me at all but if you are going to make a statement like "Jesus loves you" it requires evidence. If my best friend told me the boss's secretary loved me I would certainly ask him why he thinks that and how does he know.

Furiousfrog · 31-35, M

Wether your claim is for or against the existence of some supernatural being, you have the burden of proof. The lack of evidence does not prove the lack of existence. .

And I say, "jesus loves you", just to get a response. If you reply at all. It tell me more about you then your reply does.

Everyone has their beliefs. Everyone has their "religion". It's all a question of if you can admit to your own assumptions and beliefs or if you are locked in he illusion of knowledge. But that's my two cents. Piss on it if you will

lostcanadian · 70-79, M

@Furiousfrog: [i]"Wether (sp) your claim is for or against the existence of some supernatural being, you have the burden of proof."[/i] That's where you are getting confused. I don't make the claim that gods exist and I don't make the claim that gods don't exist. The only claim I make is that I don't believe gods exist. That is what an agnostic atheist is. Someone who believes no evidence can be provided either way. Theists often say to me that I am saying their god doesn't exist and that is simply not true. I have no idea whether or not it exists. Agnosticism deals with knowledge or lack thereof, atheism deals with beliefs or lack thereof.

Furiousfrog · 31-35, M

Not quite.

Agnostic is doubts and questions around a certain beleif/s.

So there is your encertainty or the address if he lack of knowledge.

Atheism, is still a theology.

The new atheist ideass are promoting the definition if atheism as a lack or a non theology. Which is impossible.

Without the existence of a postice claim you cannot have the negative to it. Otherwise the absolute value would still exist. Basically, you are negative 1 which is absolutely 1. If you want it to be zero you must admit the existence of the theology in order to negate it. Which creates a paradoxical problem. How can you both admit the existsence of a thing you are denying while denying it? There is something illogical there.

So basically, no matter.which way you claim, you are making a positive claim. Your ideas and beliefs leave you with the burden of proof. It's almost better to make no claims or make claims that are grand no evidence can support or disprove it.

Theology sucks.

lostcanadian · 70-79, M

@Furiousfrog: I will try one more time. Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not hold a belief in the existence of any deity and agnostic because they claim that the existence of a deity is either unknowable in principle or currently unknown in fact.
Try looking the definition of the words up.

Furiousfrog · 31-35, M

You are missing your mark.

Look im always up for these mindfuck discussions, but I dont want to bother you if you aren't. Ignore the rest if this if you aren't, in which case, Jesus loves you.

So, we are dealing with a concept that isn't deacrible by our five senses. It's an experience much like beauty, where it exists aomehwrre beyond the physical ot empirical manifestation of it. The phenomenonology of its existence is what is at question at the core of either. So its completely impossible to admit the phenomenonolgy of something is prevalent enough that you can deny its existence. At that point it exists in some mode. This isn't an imperic claim. You can't point to it.

Its like saying I am an anti unicorn person. Uniforms don't exist. But in order for me t make that claim, uniforms must exist in some mode in order for me to deny it. So in that moment I am both admitting to he existence of unicorns while denying it. It's a logical fuck. An impossible statement. I am limited to the parameters of the statement then.

I can only state, uniforms do not exist in the imperical world. The world of matter and energy.

So when we move that back over to the god question, si ce the concept of god usually exists in a "spiritual world", how can the existence of such a deity be anything but outside the measure of human knowledge and reason.

If the agnostic atheist is claiming the principles if god is unknown in fact, then you are indeed agreeing with the majority of any thrust. The core if both beliefs are the same, and the difference is simply the conclusion you draw from that point. But the core resides the same.