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RichardApril · 36-40, M
I've been on carnivore for 9 months and lost 40lbs of weight. I feel good and my eyes have improved and my mind is a lot sharper. This not really a diet but the base of the Humans food source and has been for a very long time. Even the natives ate this way. They lived off of bison mainly for 100's of years. The Spartans also ate a diet of meat only. They did have barley bread but that was very little and they didn't have that all of the time. Also, very little carbs in barley too.They even water down their wine. Very impotent to make sure your body wants to burn fat as fuel. In time when you do have some carbs or fruit You will switch to burning that source of fuel and you'll be back into ketosis in no time. Nothing can beat liver! most greens vitamins are junk and not pure for us to use. Also Most plants put out compounds to defend themselves from being eaten that's a FACT! Fasting and keto put's you into Autophagy This is very impotent state to be in.In fact many religions do a 5 day or more fast. People up north would have to eat meat only in the winter times. I will end this with some food for thought. Farmers feed cows grain to fatten them up. Why would I want to eat it then? plants we eat have been GMOED,cross bread and sprayed by around up. On top of that the soil is crap now. I eat grass fed cow's, Deer,bacon,salmon(wild caught)and chicken and eggs. RAw Goats milk is a treat at times as well as wild blueberries. There's whole family for 20 years have only ate steaks and they look amazing. -
uniglow · 36-40, M
It's worth looking at the potential effects to the body over time. In the short-term, many people suffer keto-flu and struggle to adapt to keto or carni fat-adapted diets. In the medium term, people feel bright, alert, they lose weight, resolve issues with painful joints or digestive issues. In the longer term, a carni diet with no fibre is a calling card for colorectal cancer.
Upshot: Do it for six months, then stop.
Upshot: Do it for six months, then stop.
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uniglow · 36-40, M
@ViciDraco I'm a big advocate of keeping a food diary and matching it to symptoms. For the short-term effects, of course. For the rest you need longitudinal studies, which - as you say - are not extant yet. People will also conflate this with sustainability and ecology. Humans do need to eat less meat, but that's no reason why some specific people can't eat more. Same with antibiotics. Give them to the people most in need.
RichardApril · 36-40, M
@uniglow Nope. How can you say that? The Natives ate a diet of Bison and very few plants were eaten. They were very healthy too. The Spartans also ate a diet of mainly wild game. They also had barley bread but not in war and barley bread was low carb. The Spartans went to battle until the age of 60. Meaning a 58 year old Spartan would be just as strong and wise to kill you fast. In the winter most families had to live off of meats long ago too. They fermented some greens but when you do that it takes the calories away. Lastly, what about Eskimos? They live nine months out of the year eating meat raw. We are carnivores, we have a gallbladder for a reason. We don't have a big appendix to digest all the fiber like a Ape would. Cancer only started to show up the last past 300 years. 99% of cancers love sugars. Are soils these day's are depleted and are plant foods have been Gmoed and cross bread and sprayed with roundup.
uniglow · 36-40, M
@RichardApril The main thrust of my argument about people eating less meat would be about sustainability. There's a big difference between the resources required (and associated waste) to produce meat for 50,000 Spartans, than there is for 7,700,000,000 humans. When we are forced to make most efficient use of our land because there is only just sufficient for an expanding population, we will be forced to consider that livestock is not the best use.
I would also argue that humans are omnivores, not carnivores. Most of us have eaten at least one thing in our lives that isn't meat. I ate a bagel just ten minutes ago.
As for cancer, it's become prevalent because it's a disease of old age (as the chromosomal caps reduce efficacy), and we have an older population profile than ever before. That doesn't mean we can't reduce risks, like stopping smoking and limiting meat intake.
Finally, not all crops are grown that way. Some are grown organically, but it's the same issue with meat. A limited return on your investment. As food pressures grow, organic farming might become a luxury. As might meat. Unless we find a different way to produce it. I suspect most people would be suspicious of meat grown in a lab, though.
I would also argue that humans are omnivores, not carnivores. Most of us have eaten at least one thing in our lives that isn't meat. I ate a bagel just ten minutes ago.
As for cancer, it's become prevalent because it's a disease of old age (as the chromosomal caps reduce efficacy), and we have an older population profile than ever before. That doesn't mean we can't reduce risks, like stopping smoking and limiting meat intake.
Finally, not all crops are grown that way. Some are grown organically, but it's the same issue with meat. A limited return on your investment. As food pressures grow, organic farming might become a luxury. As might meat. Unless we find a different way to produce it. I suspect most people would be suspicious of meat grown in a lab, though.
greenmountaingal · 70-79, F
I tried the keto diet for 3 months. I couldn't stick with it because my bowels turned into cement. I went on a keto website and asked what to do about my constipation. The answer I was given was: You'll get used to it. No way. I quit.
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
@greenmountaingal I've heard that about keto. One video I was watching the guy said he was afraid of that happening with carni but it never did.
RichardApril · 36-40, M
@greenmountaingal This is cause your colon is like a muscle and you've have't used it cause you ate a diet high in fiber. You have to go carnivore and eat meat only and change your body from the inside.
Deadcutie · 18-21, F
Let me guess , all meat diet?
Deadcutie · 18-21, F
@ViciDraco true, but what I mean is going all vegetarian or all meat, or all fat or whatever isn’t all healthy either.. my belief is sugar is the big culprit in unhealthy eating.. that and proportions. On average most people in the US eat about 3000 calories more than they need (5-6000 total)
If you’re ingesting 6000 calories and only burning 4000, you aren’t going to be loosing weight and that extra becomes fat..
If you’re ingesting 6000 calories and only burning 4000, you aren’t going to be loosing weight and that extra becomes fat..
ViciDraco · 36-40, M
@Deadcutie sugar is definitely the largest culprit in a number of issues. We crave it because it's supposed to be a rarity in our diets and the reward mechanism gets us to seek it out specifically.
Now that we've solved the scarcity of sugar, we abuse it to trigger that reward center that was crucial to our early development.
Because the worst problem don't typically present until after prime reproduction time, we've not had the negative selection pressure to evolve away from our scarcity designed biology.
Now that we've solved the scarcity of sugar, we abuse it to trigger that reward center that was crucial to our early development.
Because the worst problem don't typically present until after prime reproduction time, we've not had the negative selection pressure to evolve away from our scarcity designed biology.