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I Am Southern and Proud of It

It's interesting people try to say Trump is dividing this country. No this country is already divided and Obama standing up on live TV 2 years ago and blaming action of a gunman on every southerner. This shit is part what caused division of the US

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SW-User

Um do you have a source reference for this "blaming every southerner" speech?

Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F

@SW-User the speech he gave at that preacher's funeral

SW-User

@Mountainlady16 His eulogy for Reverend Pinckney? Where he said this:

The alleged killer could not imagine how the city of Charleston, under the good and wise leadership of Mayor Riley, how the state of South Carolina, how the United States of America would respond -- not merely with revulsion at his evil act, but with big-hearted generosity and, more importantly, with a thoughtful introspection and self-examination that we so rarely see in public life.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2015/06/26/remarks-president-eulogy-honorable-reverend-clementa-pinckney

Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F

@SW-User that's not all he said ignorant

SW-User

@Mountainlady16 So tell me what part offended you! Here's the whole text:

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2015/06/26/remarks-president-eulogy-honorable-reverend-clementa-pinckney

SW-User

@Mountainlady16 Oh, President Obama also said in that same eulogy:

Reverend Pinckney once said, “Across the South, we have a deep appreciation of history -- we haven’t always had a deep appreciation of each other’s history.” What is true in the South is true for America.

What you wrote above is just not true, I think. I think you ought to do the right thing and delete this post.

Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F

@SW-User his speech lead to the blacks and liberals going nuts over anything confederate

SW-User

@Mountainlady16 I hate to break it to you, but the Confederate flag was unpopular among Blacks and liberals before that speech too. Do you not understand why?

Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F

@SW-User because the public school teach that slavery was the only cause for the civil war

Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F

@SW-User but the big hype started with that spwech within days. The state of Ga removed the flag from the civil war battlefield and cemetery in my local area. A battle won by the south. The blacks and liberals think they can demand what a town that is 99 percent white flies from flagpoles

SW-User

@Mountainlady16 As long as you agree that it was a cause of the Civil War, surely you can see the point. People who took that flag into battle were fighting for slavery. Among other things, yes, but for slavery.

Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F

@SW-User so guess you also wanna remove all memorials to president Washington and Jefferson

Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F

@SW-User but my point is that these places are set aside to remember the war. To remember ancestors who fought for what they believe in. Hell in my town rare to pass s house without a confederate flag abstained of those belong to blacks too

SW-User

@Mountainlady16 That kind of decision would be a trade-off between acknowledging their crimes (from today's perspective) and their accomplishments. I'm sorry, but what positive good did the Confederacy accomplish?

Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F

@SW-User you tend to also forget slavery wasn't legal just in the south. The civil war was about states rights a problem still today. Except now it's over freaks and baby killing instead of slavery and trade

SW-User

@Mountainlady16 Thank you for pursuing the conversation in a reasonable tone! You probably have a lovely Southern accent too 😊 Getting back to your original post: President Obama's eulogy did not blame that horrible shooting on all Southerners. He did weigh in on a discussion of the Confederate flag that was already going on, and he said:

For too long, we were blind to the pain that the Confederate flag stirred in too many of our citizens.

...The flag has always represented more than just ancestral pride. For many, black and white, that flag was a reminder of systemic oppression and racial subjugation.

Do you disagree with those points?

Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F

@SW-User I do but the flag has other symbols. Memorials to Sherman and Grant offend me should I demand they be removed though?

Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F

@SW-User and Grant doesn't have to do with the civil war but what he did during his presidency. Sherman I think should be held on war crimes

SW-User

@Mountainlady16 Those are big discussions! You seem like a major history buff?

Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F

@SW-User I am have you ever heard the Roswell mill workers?

Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F

@SW-User that's why I think Sherman should been held on war crimes. I'm pretty sure even than it was not considered OK to arrest and kidnap civilians

SW-User

@Mountainlady16 I do not know about the Roswell mill workers.

Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F

@SW-User in summer 1864 Sherman troops gathered up 600 mill workers from Roswell and Marietta arrested them and sent them north to work in northern mills. There's a book about it called turn homeward hannahlee

SW-User

@Mountainlady16 Thank you for letting us know about that!

Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F

@SW-User kidnapping civilians is illegal even than I'm pretty sure

Mountainlady16 · 22-25, F

@SW-User today he been held on war crimes for several reasons