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UndeadPrivateer · 31-35, M
🧟♂️ Braaaaaaaiiiiins.
Really though, respectful philosophical debate's always great.
Really though, respectful philosophical debate's always great.
Tarxarin · 26-30, M
@UndeadPrivateer so I was thinking about last night, we agree things need a serious revision about our country, and we have a notion of how, any idea why we wont do these things?
Also on a side not of transhumanism, the thing that bothers me is the security of the thing.
Facebook and various other companies cannot for the life of them protect their data and that of users. How would embracing something thats a constant technological arms race even work?
I mean the NSA has been hoarding zero day hacks and one was stolen by a criminal and brought baltimore? I think it was the city if baltimore to its knees.
Also on a side not of transhumanism, the thing that bothers me is the security of the thing.
Facebook and various other companies cannot for the life of them protect their data and that of users. How would embracing something thats a constant technological arms race even work?
I mean the NSA has been hoarding zero day hacks and one was stolen by a criminal and brought baltimore? I think it was the city if baltimore to its knees.
UndeadPrivateer · 31-35, M
@Tarxarin The number one answer to why we don't is because of establishmentarianism and corruption. Some people don't want to change the system because it is what's in place and they don't want to deal with the upheaval. Some don't want to change the system because they stand to benefit from it as it is. Corporate personhood and treating money as speech have a lot to do with the corruption problem.
The big thing from my perspective on transhumanism and technology is that the tech is coming no matter what. All we can do is adapt and we will have a much easier time adapting by embracing than rejecting it. But I do think we need to develop some kind of framework of ethical controls for how things are conducted, we need to also be prepared for people to overstep those boundaries and deal with those consequences.
The big thing from my perspective on transhumanism and technology is that the tech is coming no matter what. All we can do is adapt and we will have a much easier time adapting by embracing than rejecting it. But I do think we need to develop some kind of framework of ethical controls for how things are conducted, we need to also be prepared for people to overstep those boundaries and deal with those consequences.
Tarxarin · 26-30, M
@UndeadPrivateer aw yes like how basically its easier to produce sugar with trees and paper with sugar cane but because it more expensive people dont do this.
It was fascinating listening to a company in europe talk about making paper and investing in recycling and creating electricity. That is the concept of blue economy. Finding natures trends and basically using them to create new compeititve business strategies.
As for technology i agree that we cant escape it. But psychologically we arent ready for it. Its havjng a massive negitive imapct and since i believe we dont have the root of what we need in terms of character the negative aspects will accelerated and magnified manyfold.
I do not think we have the leadership to get these new challenges handled yet.
It was fascinating listening to a company in europe talk about making paper and investing in recycling and creating electricity. That is the concept of blue economy. Finding natures trends and basically using them to create new compeititve business strategies.
As for technology i agree that we cant escape it. But psychologically we arent ready for it. Its havjng a massive negitive imapct and since i believe we dont have the root of what we need in terms of character the negative aspects will accelerated and magnified manyfold.
I do not think we have the leadership to get these new challenges handled yet.
UndeadPrivateer · 31-35, M
@Tarxarin Yeah, systems tend to be resistant to reform. It's just how we humans conduct our business.
I've read about such concepts as a "blue economy" in the past and think there's great validity to them, I just don't think there's enough incentives currently in place for people to actually do it. They'd rather just keep rolling in the green, by which I mean money.
As for the psychological impact, well, we're looking at a Fourth Industrial Revolution that is literally in progress as we speak. There's no stop button on that, not for the last three and not for this one either. And there will absolutely be casualties, that is completely unavoidable. We fucked ourselves on the not being ready for it, just like in the last ones, but the world won't stop advancing for the demands of the luddites. The progress will just continue without them and they'll be among the most prominent casualties.
Our leaders being insufficient is included in that. If you want to see what happens when leaders sit back and let their subjects suffer without aid you end up with situations like the French Revolution. It's ugly and messy and far, far, far from ideal but it happens. It really doesn't take long for things to descend that far in acute situations.
I've read about such concepts as a "blue economy" in the past and think there's great validity to them, I just don't think there's enough incentives currently in place for people to actually do it. They'd rather just keep rolling in the green, by which I mean money.
As for the psychological impact, well, we're looking at a Fourth Industrial Revolution that is literally in progress as we speak. There's no stop button on that, not for the last three and not for this one either. And there will absolutely be casualties, that is completely unavoidable. We fucked ourselves on the not being ready for it, just like in the last ones, but the world won't stop advancing for the demands of the luddites. The progress will just continue without them and they'll be among the most prominent casualties.
Our leaders being insufficient is included in that. If you want to see what happens when leaders sit back and let their subjects suffer without aid you end up with situations like the French Revolution. It's ugly and messy and far, far, far from ideal but it happens. It really doesn't take long for things to descend that far in acute situations.
Tarxarin · 26-30, M
@UndeadPrivateer
There isnt much incentive to follow blue economy other then being on the frontier and learning innovation.
Define the fourth industrial revolution? Also what history tell us is about to happen?
The american revolution points very clearly what happens.
Innovation and adaptability mea s superior self control and to have that self control we need values, principles, leaders and we need to embrace change like yesterday and as a species embrace togetherness.
There isnt much incentive to follow blue economy other then being on the frontier and learning innovation.
Define the fourth industrial revolution? Also what history tell us is about to happen?
The american revolution points very clearly what happens.
Innovation and adaptability mea s superior self control and to have that self control we need values, principles, leaders and we need to embrace change like yesterday and as a species embrace togetherness.
UndeadPrivateer · 31-35, M
@Tarxarin Incentives need to be provided, it's the only way that change will happen. Just being on the frontier and innovating isn't enough, I'm afraid.
The fourth industrial revolution is the current age of mass automation, globalization and data sharing infrastructure we currently find ourselves dead center in the middle of. It's been creeping up on us for the last 60 years or so while we've been sitting on our thumbs, and now we have to pay for our lack of foresight.
What history tells us is about to happen, judging by the last three (steam power, mass production, computers) is that there will be massive social upheaval and likely a large amount of armed conflict as a result of rising social tensions exacerbated by massive socio-economic divides. Society will have to dramatically change in order to adapt and those that don't will be the casualties of it, either through falling into poverty due to financial collapse and extreme hardship or from actual death at the hands of aforementioned violence.
We do indeed need to embrace the change and band together, the more we can help each other into this next stage in human society the easier it will be, but it's going to happen no matter what. The only real question right now is what shape it will eventually take, and that will end up being shaped by how well we react to it.
The fourth industrial revolution is the current age of mass automation, globalization and data sharing infrastructure we currently find ourselves dead center in the middle of. It's been creeping up on us for the last 60 years or so while we've been sitting on our thumbs, and now we have to pay for our lack of foresight.
What history tells us is about to happen, judging by the last three (steam power, mass production, computers) is that there will be massive social upheaval and likely a large amount of armed conflict as a result of rising social tensions exacerbated by massive socio-economic divides. Society will have to dramatically change in order to adapt and those that don't will be the casualties of it, either through falling into poverty due to financial collapse and extreme hardship or from actual death at the hands of aforementioned violence.
We do indeed need to embrace the change and band together, the more we can help each other into this next stage in human society the easier it will be, but it's going to happen no matter what. The only real question right now is what shape it will eventually take, and that will end up being shaped by how well we react to it.
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@UndeadPrivateer But isn't a significant difference between this revolution and previous others the much higher population of the world? I can imagine then that the casualties will be even worse than before.
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UndeadPrivateer · 31-35, M
@SW-User As a matter of scale, sure, you can definitely say that there will be more casualties. That's not the fault of the revolution, though. That's just because we've spread over this planet like a disease. 😅
I don't think we'll see significantly worse percentages of loss overall though, in fact it'll probably be a lot less bad overall than the previous ones simply because we have more tools at our disposal. But the numbers of people affected are by their very nature higher because there are more people to have an effect upon. Just the cruel reality of how the world works. Of course, things could take a turn for the very much worse if there's something like a nuclear holocaust or total biosphere collapse, which we are certainly tempting fate on.
I don't think we'll see significantly worse percentages of loss overall though, in fact it'll probably be a lot less bad overall than the previous ones simply because we have more tools at our disposal. But the numbers of people affected are by their very nature higher because there are more people to have an effect upon. Just the cruel reality of how the world works. Of course, things could take a turn for the very much worse if there's something like a nuclear holocaust or total biosphere collapse, which we are certainly tempting fate on.
Tarxarin · 26-30, M
@UndeadPrivateer Yes but that is the our ability to survive as a species, our resillence.
I don’t know man. The promise of being on the bleeding edge, of riches and being a pioneer has driven our society as a whole before, that the entire reason the oregon trail existed.
Thats the point of the destiny manifest. Although, it could easily be argued that these things were immoral.
In terms of a techniology cost and innovation i do not think we are being too far outpaced.
I think job loss is a problem, but the route of the issue is in education. I think we are far more educated then we were hundreds of years ago, and I consider that a single copy of the new york times contains more information then the people learned in elizabethian times.
In America we are screwed because of our educations system is totally whack. It simply costs too much, and the tech industry moves too fast for our students, teachers, and prices to be nimble enough.
According to the pedia of wiki, we are in the 3rd revolution which is the computer age, what makes you say this is a separation of 3rd and fourth. I get what you mean by information technology and about the difference between say self driving cars and the crisis that could bring. But let us be honest, self driving trucks still aren’t their and the attempt to make enough innovation possible is threatening tesla all the way through.
The 3rd industrial revolution had some riots and some big issue sint he earlier 1990’s it was absolutely horrendous and we are not totally prepared for the way things are shifting. But as you mentioned we are more prepared then ever before.
Quantum computers are much more accessible then the assembly line was. If i wanted to I believe ther are some ways I could get my hands on using one. The big risk of that is using a quantum computer to pop encryption like a weasel.
I do not see any crazy stuff happening to us for the forseeable future.
I hope you don’t mind I took a more devil’s advocate APPROACH TO MY REPLY THIS TIME. I am excited to see what you reply with, and I busted out my desktop to write this puppy. I am excited to party!
as for total biosphere collapse, how likely do you thinkt hat is being in the middle of one of the great extinctions? The threats of global warming, and also Whats your take on the decaying ethnosphere?
I don’t know man. The promise of being on the bleeding edge, of riches and being a pioneer has driven our society as a whole before, that the entire reason the oregon trail existed.
Thats the point of the destiny manifest. Although, it could easily be argued that these things were immoral.
In terms of a techniology cost and innovation i do not think we are being too far outpaced.
I think job loss is a problem, but the route of the issue is in education. I think we are far more educated then we were hundreds of years ago, and I consider that a single copy of the new york times contains more information then the people learned in elizabethian times.
In America we are screwed because of our educations system is totally whack. It simply costs too much, and the tech industry moves too fast for our students, teachers, and prices to be nimble enough.
According to the pedia of wiki, we are in the 3rd revolution which is the computer age, what makes you say this is a separation of 3rd and fourth. I get what you mean by information technology and about the difference between say self driving cars and the crisis that could bring. But let us be honest, self driving trucks still aren’t their and the attempt to make enough innovation possible is threatening tesla all the way through.
The 3rd industrial revolution had some riots and some big issue sint he earlier 1990’s it was absolutely horrendous and we are not totally prepared for the way things are shifting. But as you mentioned we are more prepared then ever before.
Quantum computers are much more accessible then the assembly line was. If i wanted to I believe ther are some ways I could get my hands on using one. The big risk of that is using a quantum computer to pop encryption like a weasel.
I do not see any crazy stuff happening to us for the forseeable future.
I hope you don’t mind I took a more devil’s advocate APPROACH TO MY REPLY THIS TIME. I am excited to see what you reply with, and I busted out my desktop to write this puppy. I am excited to party!
as for total biosphere collapse, how likely do you thinkt hat is being in the middle of one of the great extinctions? The threats of global warming, and also Whats your take on the decaying ethnosphere?