I Am Fascinated By Science, Religion, and Philosophy

@hippyjoe1955 Please explain the specific process whereby God created the universe.

@LeopoldBloom Right after you tell me how the big bang happened.

@hippyjoe1955 I asked you first.

Thank you for demonstrating that you don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about when you say "God created the universe." It's a meaningless statement.

The Big Bang is supported by observations of, among other things, the expansion of the universe and the cosmic microwave background radiation. The Biblical creation story is, in contrast, supported by nothing but wishful thinking and "look, there's a universe, goddidit."

@CharlieZ The other point is you don't know what the Bible meant by its descriptions. The words we English speakers use do not convey what the original language fully meant. I am reminded of when I was studying French in grade school. The superintendent came to check up on our progress and asked us to translate the word "Bon". None in the class could do so. We all knew what it meant but when the superintendent said "Bon" meant "Good" we all laughed at him. Yes it could mean good but the shadings of meanings in the word did not get served well with the simple translation "Good".

@hippyjoe1955 Hippy, I know decently well the meaning of most controversial words of Scriptures.
The mother language of my father side of the family speaks an Aramaic dialect.
I have a not so bad understanding of Greek used words.
And also a good knowledge of the related historical and cultural related context.

I find jewells of wisedom there.

But, Hippy, the description of the natural world by the religious narrative is not at all a good one.
As a lot of researchers, I keep my faith.
But in all related to matters which are the task of secular Science, I find them quite better by all means.

@xixgun Stephen Jay Gould proposed "non-overlapping magisteria." Science and religion are attempting to answer completely different questions.

@Budwick Dunno if with scientific facts.
But I´m sure he kindly laughs about religious opinions on the description of the natural world.
A bit like we laugh on bad silly jokes for courtesy.

@rckt148 My dear and respected friend.

Do you know the scientific community?
I do, closely. They are my colleagues.

The scientific community don´t debate the existence of God.
I not their bussines at least as scientists.

Some of them are atheist but you´ll not find a lot that talk about it, when and while doing Science.
Some of them, really a few, will debate FROM being atheists. But when they do it, they are doing it as any other human being with opinions and NOT as Scientists.

On the other hand, a lot if not the mayority of Scientists have their own religious faiths.
But you´ll not find a lot that talk about it, when and while doing Science.
Some of them, really a few, will debate FROM being religious. But when they do it, they are doing it as other human being with opinions and NOT as Scientists.

What both, religious as atheists Scientists will together do AS SCIENTISTS is to reject ANY injerence from ANY philosophic position or authority (so if religious or not) to make the scientific worldview deppend on something alien to Science itself.

And they, both, religious as atheists Scientists, are RIGHT about this.

Science is a secular entreprise.
It is related to describe the material natural Universe.
No more and no less.
And, since about four centuries, they are doing THIS quite better tan ANY other way of thinking.
As Carl Sagan worded it: "Science is a candle in the dark"

Do you have to deny(as one example) the facts of Evolution to be a Christian? Then you have a conflict.
NOT with atheism.
You are clashing with Science.

Religious Scientists take Evolution (and Science) as seriously as atheists Scientists.

So, my friend, a dear one.
I´m NOT atheist.
And I DO scientific research myself since young.
And I take my faith seriously.
And take Science, includding Evolution, seriously.

A hug.

@CharlieZ one of the best ones was proven not to be as scientist have taught ,,and its how fossils are formed ..
Something trapped the whole ones quick ,,not over a period of time ,,when a site was found and they dig straight down ,,the heaver bones are deeper ,,the lighter matter closer to the surface ,,but in tact ones ,,they were sealed quickly ,,
When they found what they believe to be Sodom ,,bodies standing in place ,trees not pushed over but standing in place ,,the city now found under Jerusalem
It is good we have scientist there too ,,to say ,this proves the Bible account ,,Like the book ,,Genesis , History or fable ,,now scientist are agreeing ,,its pretty accurate
but with shifting that has separated the continents ,it has made it harder to locate sites because they have moved ,,but they are being found ,,
So I appreciate science ,,a drug made on the ISS gave my Mom 5 more years of life ,,my Dad was on the team that helped put men on the moon which lead to sky lab and now the ISS
I see the value ...so hurry up Charlie and come up with the shot that regrows my spine ..
God healed me too ,,but I did not give Him the glory
now He keeps me humble ,,I do what He says I can do now
and it won't be to glorify me
Much respect my Brother ,,much respect 🤗

@rckt148 My friend,
I´m not debating Biblical history.
I´m not debating the existence of God.
I´m not debating faith.

What I say is that any "common sense" philosophy account or reassoning (like the given about fossils), compared with the serious evidence available, is NOT scientific.
I´m not an atheist, but I am a Scientist.
So, in the description of the natural world, I take Science as the better inference and explanation.
And SAME does hundreds of thousands of scientists that also have religious faiths.
When religión goes outside it´s purpose and clash with Science trying to replace it by authority, then it´s wrong and pseudoscience.
AND THIS is NOT remotely needed to have faith.

@Pinkstarburst For all these people that claim to agree, there sure seems to be a lot of veiled arguing going on in this post.

@JamesLeroy That’s an amazing use of a gif as a reply. Well done. 👍️

@JamesLeroy ahh I remember that GIF - that was the first one I ever posted. - Very original - thanks