I Don't Believe Soldiers Are Heroes

I posted a story titled " A Child's Guide To US Foreign Policy" While it is lengthy, and at times sarcastic, it is historically accurate. I encourage all here to check it out and give me your feedback. It is evident to me by the comments left on various stories pertaining to this topic , that there are many who are unaware of our foreign policy and its pertinence in this matter. I am particularly interested in the responses from those that subscribe to the "If you cant stand behind our troops, stand in front of them" mindset. What I am trying to achieve by posting this story : I want to expose the hippocracy of it all !!!! This war, placed in context of US foreign policy is not what I as an American choose to align myself with. I truly believe that there are many in opposition of this group with opinions based on nothing more than propaganda and military affiliated bias. War NEVER decides who is RIGHT, only whose LEFT!!!!!!!!!!

lalaninjacakes... don't assume you know what people think about this issue. And don't assume that just because you can point out a few moral dilemmas you can shake the resolve of people with contrary interests.

You don't see me popping over to the 'wives and girlfriends of military' whatever group to slag them off for having a different opinion to me do you? I don't pop over there and tell them that modern warfare the 'push button' war, makes their beloved boyfriends safer than ever and also at the same time probably capable of indescribable horrors. Nope, Because despite their different opinion, I've respected their 'space'. I've left their group alone.

Get off the self righteous horse please.

In fact, this is for everyone out there who wants to convert those who refuse to accept 'soldier' and 'hero' as meaning the same thing. Its a personal choice. And we're welcome to it. This freedom of speech that you think the military ((pffft)) fights for is being undermined by your closed minded bigotry.

Nobody ever said that there weren't heroic soldiers. We're just making a space where we can vent the idea that not all soldiers are heroes. And you have to do something heroic to be a hero.

Who would fight wars if there weren't soldiers?? Hate the war support the troops?? That's like saying guns are bad, but bullets are ok.

chair--
You make sense; however, I totally agree with the "hate the war support the troops." I stand by the troops 100000%; but I don't have to stand by a war! I stand by them because they are doing it and I am not. Honestly, I wouldn't sign up for the army etc. I wouldn't do it. I agree with almost everything that has been stated though. But when I mean I hate the war but stand by the troops, that is what I am trying to state. For what it's worth.

Oh and my comment was a personal one. I am (THOUGHT THIS) thread was about soldiers.

Undertone --- you have a point about the occupation. Like I said earlier, my BIL was called over to Kuwait and what he is doing is basically working (supervising others) while they work on armory vehicles.

So you don't think that someone who on a very low basic pay, fights against something that could harm you, isn't some kind of hero?

I don't agree with war, but I do think we should give them the benefit of the doubt. We're not out there.

If only it was that easy...

Im not having a go at you, it's just people's thinking behind this whole thing. I see your point, no, there are some that abuse there power, but it's a minority of people. They're given orders. It's a life r death situation. If any of us were in that position, Im sure we'd do the same.

excatly....i wonder if any of the people here would think of the soldiers that there own army is fighting against as heros? maybe some would but others wouldn't or who knows lol...

It's not a 'new' anything undertone.
It's the same old game of class warfare waged against the poor, year after year.

I totally support the soildiers; however, I don't support war at all. They are going so they don't start picking us off with sticks in our hands!

Eclectic I will check it out! Thanks for sharing.

Here Here!

Ok, back to the killing children comment.. this is why I have issues with this.

My friend is in the army, he's a paramedic. Each Christmas he goes out to Afghan. His been shot at by children before, because children out there carry better weapons then him.

He's torn between defending himself and surviving, and injuring and killing a child.

In that situation, what would you do?

i use to be like that too Eccentric...... but thanks for not going crazy most of the peope here do if you look lol...

^ I meant straws

mrmeauggie --

Even though I don't support the war I would definitely be the ones to fight back if I were attacked. I don't know if that is what this is about but it's about the actual SOLDIERS going and fighting the wars.

What exactly does war accomplish? Especially now. Do we have a evil mean dictator trying to turn everyone white now? Do we have people trying to force blacks back into slavery?

I can't believe I had to say THAT.

I don't ride horses, of any kind.

I would also like to point out that people in this thread assume that every soldier is gun-happy and goes round killing everyone just for the sake of it.

I don't agree that they are all heroes, I don't agree with war, but as I said before, we need to give them the benefit of doubt for what they are doing.

I am here, to comment on a friend's story, to get a little debate going. I don't agree with the crap that the army wives whatever group say. I give them a clap for standing up for their men, but do you honestly think most them understand anything other than what they've been brainwashed with.

I discussed a real life situation. I have not been shot at by children. I do not go round picking up wounded soldiers or civilians in a helicopter as it's being shot at. I just pointed out a fact, that not all soldiers go in shooting anything and everyone in sight.

No I am completely open minded about this. I can see it both ways and I in fact do. On a personal level, I couldn't and wouldn't sign up for the service. Nor could I be with someone in the services. My sister's husband is in the nat'l guard and right now he is in Kuwait doing absolutely nothing. I don't even get why the hell he is there!! They goof off all day. Hell that could of saved tons of money by leaving them here instead of putting them out on this said mission. You can ask him! He doesn't even understand it but he had to go..

Anyways, that is what I am trying to get at when I state "support troops but not war.." That is how I view it. However I can see how it can be viewed differently.

Everyone makes excellent points in this thread.

ah but we're talking about children who do no such thing. but in that siutation it is better to disarm the child, you've got better training than the child and you maybe have people with you and if you dont you dont have to kill the kid just shoot injure the kid so it wouldn't be fatal.

No one with a brain thinks that sitting on a ship pushing a button to launch a missile that kills an apartment building full of women and kids is a hero.
NO ONE believes that.
So we pretend that this is not what our troops do.
But it is.

and if while there fighting they kill children, rape and torture?
not saying all do but you can't say ALL soldiers who exist are heros. they aren't.
some deserve to the title, others dont. simple.

would you call a soldier who killed an entire faimly who weren't even fighting a hero?

lalaninjacakes, get over it.
THE ONLY REASON FOR SOLDIERS IS TO KILL!
Maintenance, supply, truck driving, all the same, they work to make sure that people die when some Repiglican says so.

Bitlord I can see what you are saying , but what about those who SIT over there with their thumb up their ass? (My brother in law)

How would you like me to talk bad about your dead husband or wife? Run for president, congress ,or the house! You are putting people aginst a wall.Military people have a tendesy of fighting back! what possible good can come from your statement? Represent bitch! because we believe in what we fight for, and I'll bet your sorry ass that we win again!!!!!!

You are not even old enough to know what the hell you are talking about. They might not be heroes but they put themselves in harms way so you can sleep safely tonight. I helped to save lives in Nam but I do not consider myself a hero. The true heroes are the vets that gave the ultimate sacrifice and died for their country and the medics that tried so hard to save so many lives. Until you become a man or a veteran SHUT THE FUCK UP.