I Am a Libertarian
Anyone following what's going on in Mahopac Falls,New York?
Red flags laws in effect.
Red flags laws in effect.
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deadgerbil · 22-25
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@deadgerbil A US Army vet is in a stand off with the state for owning a gun. Someone complained,so instead of giving his guns away, he's trying to protect his right to own it.
MrPerditus1 · 61-69, M
@SW-User Without knowing all the details, sounds like either he was doing something he shouldn't have and people were concerned or pissed or scared OR he doesn't own it legally, because they can't just come and say, give it to us. It's against the law. So there is something else going on here than just he doesn't want to give it up.
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@MrPerditus1 He is innocent. I followed his Instagram. Only crime is owning a gun. That's how red flag laws work.
MrPerditus1 · 61-69, M
@SW-User Red flag law is a gun control law that permits police or family members to petition a state court to order the temporary removal of firearms from a person who may present a danger to others or themselves.
Now in this case, he may be innocent, but again, they have to prove he was acting in an way that was a danger to himself or another. That is the ONLY way they can approach him and demand his weapons. Again, I don't know all that transpired for others to call this on him. Following his Instagram is a good thing, but will only tell his side and believe me, when you have a site like that, you'll always show what you want, not necessarily everything else others see.
I'm not condemning him, as an Army vet that owns a couple of weapons myself, I'm just saying, I don't know all the information and I guarantee no one else does either. I'll wait to see what comes out after all this has calmed down.
Now in this case, he may be innocent, but again, they have to prove he was acting in an way that was a danger to himself or another. That is the ONLY way they can approach him and demand his weapons. Again, I don't know all that transpired for others to call this on him. Following his Instagram is a good thing, but will only tell his side and believe me, when you have a site like that, you'll always show what you want, not necessarily everything else others see.
I'm not condemning him, as an Army vet that owns a couple of weapons myself, I'm just saying, I don't know all the information and I guarantee no one else does either. I'll wait to see what comes out after all this has calmed down.
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@MrPerditus1 Their excuse is mental illness. How do they go about knowing he had one if there were no signs of it?
So it's pretty much a government strong hold to me.
So it's pretty much a government strong hold to me.
MrPerditus1 · 61-69, M
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MrPerditus1 · 61-69, M
@SW-User I can't answer that myself about he's ill or not. But before I sought help, I had many friends and family trying to talk me into seeking help for my mental health issues. I, of course, didn't think I had any and even if I did, I could handle it. I wasn't weak, was my thought process.
Now, after getting the help I needed, I can see the signs were there for anyone to notice that just took the time or knew me. They aren't hard to see, but hard to get a person to go in.
I looked up and only found one thing talking about a veteran stand off and what it says is that there were complaints that he had a 30 round magazine for his weapon. That size mag has been illegal since 1994. So, if this is the same case and man, he is breaking the law and they have the right to seize at this time. Like it or not.
As I said, I'm not taking anyone's side. I don't know everything and I can probably find, if I took the time, all kinds of reports to support either side.
But I do support his right to own any legal weapon and accessory to those weapons. Just nothing illegal.
Now, after getting the help I needed, I can see the signs were there for anyone to notice that just took the time or knew me. They aren't hard to see, but hard to get a person to go in.
I looked up and only found one thing talking about a veteran stand off and what it says is that there were complaints that he had a 30 round magazine for his weapon. That size mag has been illegal since 1994. So, if this is the same case and man, he is breaking the law and they have the right to seize at this time. Like it or not.
As I said, I'm not taking anyone's side. I don't know everything and I can probably find, if I took the time, all kinds of reports to support either side.
But I do support his right to own any legal weapon and accessory to those weapons. Just nothing illegal.
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@MrPerditus1 I am happy you sought help. I support that. I have no issues.
Where my issues lie is when government decides. The difference between a 20 and a 30 is not much if no one knows what they are looking for. So, people who think it's a 30, can complain and cause unnecessary drama.
I support the 2nd and I think red flag laws are an overstep.
Where my issues lie is when government decides. The difference between a 20 and a 30 is not much if no one knows what they are looking for. So, people who think it's a 30, can complain and cause unnecessary drama.
I support the 2nd and I think red flag laws are an overstep.
MrPerditus1 · 61-69, M
@SW-User I can agree with you on the government needs to be careful where they tread. But the issue isn't between a 20 and 30 round mag, it's between a 10 and 30 round mag. Anything over 10 rounds is illegal.
But you're right when it comes to government involvement in dealing with others mental health issues, but had I not gotten help and spiraled out the way I was going, I might have hurt someone else and more than likely I would have hurt myself. That much I do know. It's hard when dealing with veterans and mental health. While we are in, we're told to tough it out, soldier on. Don't be weak. We are told to bury it, lower your shoulder and plow on. When we get out, we can't just turn that off and how each of us dealt with what saw and lived with is different.
As much as I support his rights, I support others rights to feel and be safe. Unless you do something that causes the attention to be brought onto you, the government can't just walk up and say gimme. They can't. That's why I am willing to sit back and see what all the evidence is. I can guarantee you, we don't have it all at this time.
But you're right when it comes to government involvement in dealing with others mental health issues, but had I not gotten help and spiraled out the way I was going, I might have hurt someone else and more than likely I would have hurt myself. That much I do know. It's hard when dealing with veterans and mental health. While we are in, we're told to tough it out, soldier on. Don't be weak. We are told to bury it, lower your shoulder and plow on. When we get out, we can't just turn that off and how each of us dealt with what saw and lived with is different.
As much as I support his rights, I support others rights to feel and be safe. Unless you do something that causes the attention to be brought onto you, the government can't just walk up and say gimme. They can't. That's why I am willing to sit back and see what all the evidence is. I can guarantee you, we don't have it all at this time.