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I Am An Mra

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"Yes avfm ( a voice for men) is strongly opposed to marriage because the institution of marriage is nothing more than slavery for men. The same can be said for.having children. Father a child in this gynocentric feminist culture is about as smart as playing ba<x>seball with a live grenade. Marriage is worse. Most MRAs who aren't already married vow to never do so. This is why MRAs and MGTOWs are so close. We share that same philosophy."

This kind of puerile crap is exactly why the MRA is a hate group. It attacks fathers and marriage. What exactly does it stand for in a positive way, I wonder?

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bluelady1021

JB wrote: "Ladyblu, who's husband is a divorce attorney, says that this can't happen and because I say it can and does she says I don't know what Im talking about."
my response: Oh brother . . . here we go again with the BS. My husband isn't a divorce attorney, and he has never said this can't happen. If you open your mind and pay attention to what I have written you would know this JB since I have written about it in the past (I think you know it, but just lie to try to make us look bad – FAIL!).
Once again you are showing yourself to be a liar because I have written numerous posts (some in response to you) indicating that my husband's law firm is a corporate law firm, and not a divorce law firm. He and his associates engage in corporate law for income, and not divorce law. However, he, and he alone and not his associates, sometimes represents men and woman who have been treated unjustly in divorce (and other legal) proceedings. I have written this several times, but here we go again.
And just so you know, I was treated extremely unfairly by my ex husband when I filed for divorce because he was treating me horribly. Before I had left him I worked night and day like a slave for him to do what he constantly demanded that I do. He was extremely emotionally abusive. When I eventually left him and filed for divorce because I couldn't take it anymore (I had told him he needed to stop abusing me or I would do this, but he didn't care) he fought me and told me that he would never pay me a dime, and would fight me “tooth and nail” for eternity if I tried to get any money, or any of our assets from him. I just wanted out so I gave up my right to seek any of our assets, any alimony, any child support, or anything else. All I got was my old car, some of my clothes (he refused to give me all of my clothes), and a few other things that were mine, and that he would never want to keep. He did not request any custody of our two children, but I agreed to give him joint custody. The majority of the time he would come up with excuses to avoid spending the time he was given with our children. He seemed to want little to do with them. Me and my kids left our huge house that my husband kept and lived in a tiny apartment. I worked at three jobs at one point to support us. I would often work 16 to 20 hours a day, and would spend the remaining hours with my kids. I was exhausted all the time, but wanted my children to be able to spend time with their mommy so often I wouldn't sleep more than an hour or less before going back to work. It was horrible, but emotionally better than my life had been with my ex. My ex didn't give a damn about our struggles and our impoverished life. He just kept demanding that if I wanted a better life I needed to come back to him and abide by his demands. Eventually things improved and I married my current husband. He wanted me to marry him as soon as my divorce was final, but as I mentioned below I needed time. He offered to help support me and my kids before we married, but until I moved in with him I refused to have him do so.
Maybe I should have made a YouTube video about how unfairly and unjustly my ex treated me, and then made YouTube videos showing all the women I have known who have been abused and treated unfairly by their husband's too, and taken to the cleaners in their divorces. Nope, I have a good life and it isn't something I would want to cling to and put out for everyone to see like that daddy.com guy constantly does.
As I stated above, my husband is a corporate attorney. He sometimes chooses to represent people (both men and women) on an appeal because they have been treated extremely unjustly and unfairly in their original case. The majority of the time he does it for free (pro bono). He has represented men who have been treated unjustly and unfairly in divorce proceedings so there is absolutely no reason why he would EVER say it can't happen, and he NEVER has. I have never said it can't happen either. It just isn't as common as JB and many other anti-feminist MRAs constantly claim it is.
In addition, what someone posts on a YouTube video isn't always completely true, and is sometimes one sided and exaggerated. The fact that Vonderheide only posts a few snippet's of his interview with Alvin Esh's current attorney (not his old one who probably screwed things up for him), and then Vonderheide puts his own written comment's about what is happening on the video, tells me that far more is probably going on to cause things to end up the way that they have that he refuses to mention, and we will never know about, because it may explain more thoroughly what is happening and make it seem less unfair.
Now here are the answers to your questions JB. My husband won't lose any income whatsoever since, as I mentioned above, he isn't a divorce lawyer, he usually represents the men he has appealed cases for for free, so he would probably gain income if they stopped needing his help and he stopped giving it to them. Now do you want me to post links to cases where women have been abused, and completely screwed over by their ex husbands in divorce cases like I was, and/or taunted and harassed by them. Here are some interesting and educational links for you:
http://gawker.com/rich-man-buys-house-next-to-ex-wife-erects-giant-middl-1465406839
http://www.legalzoom.com/marriage-divorce-family-law/divorce/men-v-women-who-does
http://primacyofreason.blogspot.com/2011/05/in-depth-study-after-divorce-44-of_31.html
http://www.divorce360.com/divorce-articles/after-divorce/general/surviving-divorce-after-40.aspx?artid=1650
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brendan-lyle/after-divorce-women-rebou_1_b_1970733.html
http://www.divorcecentral.com/DCLive/expert/winner_excerpt.html
Almost all of these links are objective and were not written by men who are angry because they felt they were not treated fairly by the divorce courts, and as a result focused all of their future time and attention on that. As stated in one of the links, women are often able to move on emotionally (I did) while men often cling to their negative emotional feelings longer.
It is a well known fact that women are usually the ones who end up worse off financially following divorce, and not men. But the women that this happens to (like me in the past) very rarely openly whine, moan, complain, post YouTube videos, and tell the world about their unjust and abusive treatment. Instead they move on and make it work.

bluelady1021

I wrote: "In most states a woman can't empty the couples bank account and file for divorce without being expected to return half of the money she took out of the account in one way or another."

JB responded with: "Why don't you tell this guy, this guys attorney and the divorce court judge that a woman can't do that."

my response: In that YouTube video it doesn't say that that woman emptied the couple's bank account and you know that, so try to make it seem like the same thing. She took money from 'the husband's' home equity line of credit. Its unclear to me how she could do that if it is just the husband's line of credit. That would be considered theft if she is not designated as someone who can take money from his line of credit. But in any event, if what they are claiming she did is actually true, and there is no legal justification for it, it is very wrong and unjust and her husband's attorney should file an appeal to get the appellate court to overturn the lower court's unjust and legally invalid decision. Vonderheide's attorney succeeded at that in his divorce case, and my husband has succeeded at it many times as well. No one should just give up and whine and complain. Instead of just filming people and then making YouTube videos, Vonderheide should help people who have been treated unjustly to get proper legal aid to undo the unjust things that have allegedly happened to them.

bluelady1021

Oh and BTW, it would not be at all "accurate to say that, through your husband, you have a financial interest in maintaining the status quo when it comes to family courts and the laws that govern them" based on what I have written above. As I indicated above, my husband is a corporate law attorney and the majority of the time when he helps people appeal their divorce cases where they have been treated extremely unjustly and unfairly, he does it for free. So if the courts stopped doing that and as a result he didn't need to help those people his income would actually increase because he could spend all of his work time doing his corporate law work and earning more money as a result, instead of spending some of his time doing work for legally downtrodden people for free. Please stop assuming things about people and alleging things about them that are completely false JB.

Why does he just keep lying about me (and other things) making things up, assuming things that aren't true, exaggerating, and being so one sided, and biased? Its so irritating. Oh, but that's right . . . it's because it gives him a "chubby" - YUCK!!!!!!

bluelady1021

saint wrote: "I get emotional to but that's why I am a feminist I care about men and womens rights.. I am sure you do the same to <3"

my response: I certainly do saint, and so does my husband. We know that both men and women are treated unfairly and we don't just constantly focus on one gender, and ignore the other as if everything in their world is perfectly fine and dandy. Thank you for your kind words saint. I get emotional too, but I try to put it aside, be objective, and face reality.

westsideblues1

he is intimidated and jealous of those who he feels have it better than him...

he has a over whelming need to make them look worse off then they are!!

westsideblues1

u can tell he is a small man, not tall at all.... he suffers from little man ( Napoleon syndrome) mentally and physically.

bluelady1021

Envy is one of the traits of narcissistic personality disorder.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/stop-walking-eggshells/201112/envy-part-the-definition-narcisistic-disorder

"Narcissists must be superior to others in every single way. So when someone else has something they don't have that they want: admiration, status, skills, objects, etc.--the narcissist sees it as a major threat. Like so much else in the narcissistic mind, it is unconscious, discounted and denied, which makes it more treacherous for the object of his envy. Sandy Hotchkiss, author of Why Is It Always About You, says, "To admit to envy would be to acknowledge inferiority, which no good narcissist would ever do."

So what can he do? Unless he can take credit for the other person's good fortune he:

⋆ Feels contempt for those he envies and puts them down vociferously--sometimes to their face, sometimes not. This restores his upside down world where he's always on top.
⋆ Can't share in the other person's happiness, which disappoints others or make them doubt themselves. Narcissists even envy others when they're the center of attention for a sad reason (deaths of loved ones, illnesses) and don't support them in their time of crisis.This is often a "light-bulb moment" and the last straw for partners who end the relationship.
⋆ Fantasizes about his own success (another DSM-IV narcissistic trait).
⋆ Indulges in self-soothing activity (gambling drinking, sex) to ward away feelings of defectiveness and shame."

I see quite a few of these traits in MRAs.

westsideblues1

yep he suffers from every last one of these

bluelady1021

They are envious and jealous of people with happy, successful, fulfilling lives and marriages so they try to criticize and ridicule them in an attempt to convince themselves that they are actually better off and more superior so they will stop feeling jealous and envious. It's a vicious circle.

westsideblues1

that article is a good read!

RichardTGere

Really? You know a lot of MRAs personally or are you just projecting?