Do you think their was a pusher in the beginning that lead to a chain and reaction catalyst in the universe?
Or can we take out the pusher out of the picture, and everything magically has no beginning or ending?
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Doomflower · 36-40, M
What we think of as the beginning was just the point at which space and time expanded into what we know today as the universe or possibly the multiverse or whatever. Maybe we are all an illusion being sent to a brain in a jar.
Before that, if "before" really means anything in such a context, as far as we can tell everything that makes up out present universe was condensed into a point so dense it makes black holes seem like helium balloons at the fair. The expansion from that moment has continued unchecked.
What caused the expansion? Do the rules of cause and effect even apply to that situation? Does the universe stretch out infinitely or is there an edge? If so, what lies beyond it? Will it collapse in on itself again eventually due to gravity or perhaps rupture like a bubble that's gotten so big the material can't stretch any more?
The questions are many but not once in the history of humanity has the answer to any question about our universe and how it operates turned out to be god(s) or a pusher or whatever you want to call it. The answer certainly isn't magic either, because never once has the answer to a scientific question turned out to be magic.
And of course as others have pointed out the proposition of some prime mover only pushes the question back a step.
Before that, if "before" really means anything in such a context, as far as we can tell everything that makes up out present universe was condensed into a point so dense it makes black holes seem like helium balloons at the fair. The expansion from that moment has continued unchecked.
What caused the expansion? Do the rules of cause and effect even apply to that situation? Does the universe stretch out infinitely or is there an edge? If so, what lies beyond it? Will it collapse in on itself again eventually due to gravity or perhaps rupture like a bubble that's gotten so big the material can't stretch any more?
The questions are many but not once in the history of humanity has the answer to any question about our universe and how it operates turned out to be god(s) or a pusher or whatever you want to call it. The answer certainly isn't magic either, because never once has the answer to a scientific question turned out to be magic.
And of course as others have pointed out the proposition of some prime mover only pushes the question back a step.
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Doomflower · 36-40, M
@Psychoticenlightment: I am a layman and I just laid out the basics of this process without much trouble. Just because you don't know doesn't mean it is unknown.
plungesponge · 41-45, M
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plungesponge · 41-45, M
actually there are plenty of studies about where we started. It's based on science and some can be directly proven and some are projections from what we can prove.
The other kind of "speculation", which involves a diety that inevitably looks like the person supporting that theory, comes with a distinctly smaller and questionable body of supporting evidence.
The other kind of "speculation", which involves a diety that inevitably looks like the person supporting that theory, comes with a distinctly smaller and questionable body of supporting evidence.
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ConfusedMonkey · 41-45, M
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ConfusedMonkey · 41-45, M
Maybe there's a chain of infinite pushers
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there's no way to know, so speculation is pointless
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@suzie1960: Optically, we can't see further back than 380,000 years because before that everything was an opaque plasma. Everything before that is currently theoretical.
suzie1960 · 61-69, F
@crossproduct: I didn't mean 'see' in the optical sense. I was thinking of how far back the theories take us.
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@suzie1960: in that sense, yes, it goes back to the point where quantum gravity becomes important AFAIK. Physics up until that point is pretty solid, so it's probably accurate, but the universe is full of surprises (like people discovering inflation, for example).