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Ending abortions is crucial in cultivating a society that values the sanctity of life.

With all the cases today of parents killing their autistic or unwanted children, how can you guys not see that the more you allow this ideology of euthanasia, this belief that children who aren't considered normal should be dead, this belief that an innocent fetus, who has a beating heart, lungs, skin and all the major characteristics of a fully developed baby is nothing more than tissue and bacteria, the more you allow it to flourish, the more murderous society becomes.

We should not even tolerate this ideology. We should not even allow their venomous poison to be spewed into our ears. If you are a Christian, Islamic, or Jewish, it should be easy to see that supporting abortions is a form of Satanism. If you are atheist or any other religion, it is easy to see that taking the life of an unborn child is the same as murder. Pro-choice means you are allowing it to happen when you otherwise have the power to stop it if you stand with millions of others who are ready to end abortions.

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JP1119 · 36-40, M

Several things in no particular order:

1. Satanists are not evil, if that’s what you’re trying to say. They don’t actually worship Satan as a personal god and try to do evil. Satan to them is just a symbol for not pretending to be any holier than what you really are. That’s what their religion is all about. Common misconception, but it’s time to stop vilifying them.

2. Outlawing abortion won’t end it, it will just make abortion dangerous. Women and girls desperate enough to want to kill what’s growing inside them will still get it done, though at great risk to their own health and well-being (unless they’re rich enough to be able to travel to somewhere where it’s still legal to have a trained professional do it for them).

3. You know what’s not controversial? Never heard [i]anybody[/i] complain a lick about this: bodily autonomy of a corpse. If a man, woman, or child is deathly sick and needs an organ transplant to save his/her life, a good, fully functioning organ cannot legally be taken from a [i]corpse[/i] (who obviously won’t even be using it anymore) unless that person gave permission for his/her organs to be donated before he/she died. Not even if the sick man/woman/child will die without getting that corpse’s organ. Why? Because that [i]corpse[/i] has control over how its body is used. Pretty soon in my home state of Missouri a woman or girl who is nine weeks pregnant would hypothetically have more legal control over her own body if she were [i]dead[/i] than she would as long as she remains alive and pregnant. Is that what you “pro-lifers” want? To incentivize suicide?!

So what’s the difference? Why is it okay for a corpse to have bodily autonomy but not a live pregnant woman or girl? The issue is females having sex on their own terms. That’s what’s got those so-called “pro-lifers’” panties in a wad. If a female gets an abortion, then there weren’t any lasting consequences for her having sex. That’s unacceptable. That’s what it’s really all about.

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JP1119 · 36-40, M

@Theliberal So does the right to life trump the right to bodily autonomy? Or is it the other way around?

So you believe in the sanctity of life - until you make a mistake, then life’s no big deal anymore. Life yet to come is more valuable than life that’s already here because fetuses haven’t made any mistakes [i]yet[/i]. Now it makes sense.

Theliberal · 36-40, M

@JP1119 I'm happy to have cleared that up. Why are you still talking anyhow? How many organs have you donated?

JP1119 · 36-40, M

Of course those fetuses that get saved from abortion, I’m sure most of them won’t make any mistakes in life, and I’m sure they’ll relish having the pressure of deserving to die the first time they do make a mistake hanging over their heads. That’s a great way to live.

[quote]How many organs have you donated?[/quote] You still don’t get it, do you? It’s incredibly ironic of you to ask me that given that I’m not the one that’s in favor of legislating away a pregnant woman’s right to bodily autonomy in favor of “saving lives”. How many organs have [i]you[/i] donated? But even if you [i]have[/i] donated one it’s not the same because you were exercising your bodily autonomy when/if you donated an organ. Nobody threatened to arrest you or charge you with murder if you chose not to. @Theliberal

winchesterbros

it more about people not wanting to take responsibility for their actions. there is also self hate and hatred for humanity for other reasons why people choose to think that way. i mean look how people behave online. we at one time use to put other people into slavery, some countries like the middle east and africa still practice that. then you have sex slaves which is still practiced in all countries. humans havent developed a sense of humanity. only the religious sees things as wrong and right. what i dont get is where people put rights to a human giving its age. if its born some believe it has gained rights to life if its not born it has no rights and therefor forfeits its rights to the mother's choosing. (basically the concept of slavery, objectifying humans). people can say well look at all the kids that are unwanted in orphanages, but is that a right to kill? should we kill all the homeless, its the same concept and mindset. if killing a child is legal than killing an adult should be legal. people who believe in abortion shouldnt have a say when someone dies of gun violence which is minute to the over a million unborn that gets murdered by choice. some people believe since the world is over populated that its good to abort babies. which is that the same mindset that wars and mass killings of people should be praised for lowering the population? its a sickening twisted mindset. in america planned parenthood was created by a woman who believed in eugenics wanted minorities (blacks mostly) to be killed. she spoke at kkk meetings. and here we have a 3 to 1 blacks killing off their young compared to whites. its all about brainwashing.

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SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M

@winchesterbros Nah nobody thinks that. You're deranged.

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@SumKindaMunster I’ll leave you with this joyful and intellectual giant. I can’t compete.

SW-User

@winchesterbros Oprah? Nope I have not seen that movement. But you can just call me Ilsa - She Wolf of the SS.

SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M

That's a moral argument. You are appealing to people's morals and assume they all feel the same about this issue as you do.

Not everyone does.

What do you say to the indisputable fact that making abortions illegal will not prevent women from getting abortions?

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@SumKindaMunster Please continue. Remember to use your mind. 😉

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@Girlyfriendcollecting According to Winchester if you spread your legs you should have babies. That’s it. No grey areas.

Girlyfriendcollecting · F

@SW-User if you use birth control you wont get pregnant assuming the birth control works.

DunDunDun · 22-25, F

Btw, serious question, if this isn't just you trolling and you're serious, do you actually think that if a 10 year old girl were to get raped by her dad and then ask to get an abortion afterwards, before the fetus can even feel pain too, then she should be tortured to death in the worst way possible just for considering abortion or actually getting one?

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DunDunDun · 22-25, F

@ISpeakTheTruth I'll be waiting then...I guess

SW-User

@Theliberal You should take your moral high horse and ride on to Africa and do something about the 100 thousand kids that die from Malaria because of fake pharma. I mean put your money where your mouth is and do something about all those kids you claim to care about so much ....oh wait. I forgot you’re only here for the outrage.

SW-User

@DunDunDun Amazing how often it’s middle aged men who seem to know what’s good for young women and their bodies isn’t it? I mean you should probably be barefoot in the kitchen popping them out by the dozens by their thinking. It’s amazing to me, I thought people were educated nowadays. I’m so wrong, backward thinking abounds.

Theliberal · 36-40, M

It's birth control for those who want no responsibility for their actions. They justify killing the innocent because they choose to screw around with legs wide open.

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SW-User

@Theliberal I don’t actually care what you believe.

Theliberal · 36-40, M

@SW-User of course you don't, it shows how full of shit you are and you know I'm right.

SW-User

@Theliberal Ok so? Is that your point? That I’m full of shit and know you’re right? Come on dude you can do better than that.

Salix75 · 46-50, F

you'll never stop abortions - they've been around since women have been getting pregnant. The issue is about access to safe abortions

Unsafe abortions are one of the leading causes of deaths during pregnancy and childbirth (about 5-13% of all deaths during this period).

Tens of thousands of women die each year as a result of complications of unsafe abortion; between 2 million and 7 million women each year survive unsafe abortion but sustain long-term damage or disease (incomplete abortion, infection, haemorrhage, and injury to the internal organs, such as puncturing or tearing of the uterus).

There are many reasons women seek abortions; very few use it as a means of contraception (despite some ignorant comments I see below).

If men don't want women to abort, then they can keep their dicks in their pants or get a vasectomy. Unless they do that, they don't get to have say.

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Salix75 · 46-50, F

@12345abc so that's US only? I'm looking more broadly

12345abc

Ok, I thought we were talking about US bans and the recent Alabama and Georgia decisions. Yeah, Africa alone could tip almost any scale in any debate drastically. @Salix75

Salix75 · 46-50, F

@12345abc no. though those bans are crazy

Effloresce · 26-30, F

Valuing the sanctity of life is giving a woman the right to do what she needs to do with her own body without interference from anyone else.

AlienZipper · 61-69, M

@Effloresce

The hell it is.

Effloresce · 26-30, F

Ok@AlienZipper

MorbidCynic · F

Animals all across nature end the life of the offspring that they do not want or can care for. Humans are no different.

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DunDunDun · 22-25, F

@12345abc Why do you value life over well being and preventing suffering?

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DunDunDun · 22-25, F

@ISpeakTheTruth Even healthy people with healthy lives suffer. No one can ever feel pain if they aren't born.

SatanBurger · 36-40, F

No, for the fact that most perpetrators of sexual assault say they've used coercion before is reason enough for me to be pro choice. Also, in anti abortion countries, they have more abortions and more deaths so ending abortion doesn't do anything neither does imprisoning women.

Also in developing countries where police are corrupt and it's very high crime, I don't blame women for getting abortions where rape is prevalent.

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SatanBurger · 36-40, F

@ISpeakTheTruth [quote]Most pro-lifers already come to a consensus that there should be an exemption for sexual assault which account for less that 2 percent of abortions! So we agree on sexual assault. That's no longer debatable.[/quote]

Well that's not exactly true, a politician in Alabama stated towards women that have miscarriages that was up for the prosecutor to decide and a couple of others insinuated that rape victims should have to have the child. Those are the real people in power who believe in that.

Besides, I wasn't talking about sexual assault, I was talking about coercion. I stated that the study was done on people who been in jail of college age for assault charges but I wasn't implying in case of rape, I was arguing the fact that some pregnancies can develop via coercion and it's morally wrong of me to assume to know every woman's pregnancy for that simple fact.

[quote]Now, you claim that there are more abortions in countries where abortions are illegal, well, first I would like to see some evidence of that claim and secondly, what does that have to do with America? [/quote]

Pro lifers in America want to abolish all abortion yes?

This would mean that America would become an anti abortion country and in other anti abortion countries, the rates for abortion are higher, not to mention the death of women.

Also anti abortion countries also ban contraceptives because they believe it's abortion, this results in more unintended pregnancies, more abortions and also more deaths. Where anti abortion countries are, women's health access on other things are generally closed off:

https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/abortion-latin-america-and-caribbean

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12342329

The Guardian confirming the first link (not related but related in this sense) about how the highest abortion rate is Latin America and the Caribbean, despite the fact that these countries have anti abortion laws, some of the strictest around the world.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/24/want-to-lower-the-abortion-rate-support-pro-choice-policies

SW-User

I think you should first visit all the orphanages, all the children left to fend for themselves somewhere on the streets, all the children being abused daily... before you speak of the sanctity of life.
You first need to correct the human mindset in how they treat this sanctity of life before you preach something you do not even have to bear consequence of.

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JovialPlutonian · 36-40, M

@12345abc it's not! Supporting all life is, but that's the point ppl can be prolife but they're not queuing up to support these individuals.

JovialPlutonian · 36-40, M

@SW-User plus not all miscarriages are controlled by the mother so to put her in jail is ludicrous.

SW-User

@JovialPlutonian Exactly. It is irresponsible to bring a life in when you know what can happen to it.
Its blindly moralistic to consequences as long as the original commandments are maintained.

anythingoes477 · M

Do you have adopted children? Plans to adopt any? Curious.

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anythingoes477 · M

@ISpeakTheTruth You know I hear that a lot.........and I'd bet you $20 million you never do. It's the hypocrisy of the soapbox preachers everytime an election rolls around and the subject of abortion comes up.

Jail an 11 year for life if she wants an abortion because her dad raped her....FORCE her to keep that pregnancy...but who is standing in line to take that child once it's born? The one preaching about what others should and should not do?

Nope......never.

SW-User

@anythingoes477 thank you.

RooiSoosSkarlakenWitSoosSneeu · F

look around and see how life is meaningless/without value
it is a sickness of our day

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winchesterbros

@anythingoes477 if you look it up there are no cages. that was a lie.

winchesterbros

@anythingoes477 https://www.apnews.com/1ed84f6ecfab4aeeb7e3e1f9744be577 you guys need to fact check before believing what you are told.

anythingoes477 · M

@winchesterbros Want to watch the lies? What are chain link enclosures with locking gates to you---luxury condos???

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2018/jun/18/separated-migrant-families-held-in-cages-at-texas-border-video

Anonymartyr · M

Too late, Industry and finance has already eliminated the sanctity of life. People are just sheep now and killing a lamb isn't considered murder.
I only support abortion on two conditions: If the pregnancy isn't terminated the mother will most likely die, or the baby itself is very unlikely to survive and even if it does it would be too deformed or disabled to even have a life AND the mother considers it mercy to terminate the pregnancy. otherwise I recommend adoption. Rape is not an excuse to kill rather than put up for adoption- it was the mother who was raped not the child, why punish the infant? The child only needs to know that it was adopted, it doesn't need to know about the rape. Lots of couples want to adopt babies because one or sometimes both married people are unable to get pregnant. Any excuse for abortion could otherwise be turned into a precedent that justifies murders among teens and adults- So there must be a line drawn somewhere. Any child once conceived deserves a chance to live. Nobody can own anybody, the child's life never belonged to mother or father but to itself. Only the child should be able to decide but it cannot speak yet. Some places assisted suicide is legal and some places abortion is.Setting the wrong precedent in these areas would break down most laws pertaining to murder. Abortion cannot be just a private family thing. Not as long as there is a court system that depends on precedents.

SW-User

In regards to the sanctity of life I guess that would mean no death penalty either?

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SW-User

@ISpeakTheTruth life is either sacrosanct or it isn’t, make up your mind.

AbbySvenz · F

So we should jail any woman who miscarries, then?

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12345abc

Yeah my mistake. I guess I’m not amused by abortion humor. Sorry. @Salix75

Salix75 · 46-50, F

@12345abc it's not abortion humour. holy hell man. I don't even see how you'd link that sketch to abortion.
You made a comment about taking things to extremes, so I made a reference from Python that took things to extremes... the Protestants being able to use condoms, but the Catholics who couldn't (and therefore had dozens and dozens of kids) because "every sperm is sacred..."

SMH

12345abc

Ok. Ha ha. @Salix75

whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

You know, you may have more of a case with most folks if you valued the sanctity of life enough to shift the second amendment and the NRA to stop all the "Post birth Abortions" of school children. Those definitely Murder.

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whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

@12345abc I just see a little hypocracy with a legal ban at one end and no action at the other. Lets call it a bridge between topics.

12345abc

What would you say to someone like myself who believes killing a life in the womb is wrong and allowing people to carry assault rifles is also wrong? @whowasthatmaskedman

whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

@12345abc That if you manage to actively oppose one successfully I will listen to your case for the other, because you are being consistent. However, those weapons are used by the one, to inflict their will on the viable born many, so I would still be opposed on principle.

DunDunDun · 22-25, F

With all the cases today of parents killing their autistic or unwanted children

what now?...autism can't be detected before birth...no one is aborting autistic kids, if you're talking about killing them after birth, then depending on how it's done really, I don't see why someone with autism should be forced to suffer just because you value life for some stupid reason. People who are extremely autistic are often unhappy literally every moment of their lives and often try to kill themselves. No one should be forced to suffer like that.

Theliberal · 36-40, M

This is what the pro-choice women are trying to say. It's simple. They act like there's some moral reasoning behind what they do but there's not.

JovialPlutonian · 36-40, M

That's the point we shouldn't kill them, we should support them but society doesn't!

JovialPlutonian · 36-40, M

Blame society for treating anything outside the norm as not ok. This just proves my point that prolifers don't support all life lol a society that is against ending the suffering of someone but is happy to sell cigarettes to ppl so they have a slow painful death, the hypocrisy lol 😂

AlienZipper · 61-69, M

The sanctity and uniqueness of human life since Roe has slowly eroded.

The term euthanasia used to be almost unknown, but since abortion became legal, it's becoming more accepted, particularly overseas.

Tobasco · 31-35, F

SW-User

Abortion past the point of viability is killing a child..

SW-User

A form of satanism? How’s the weather in crazy town?

DukeOfEarle · M

Bye kids! Bye! 😂😂🤣🤣

SW-User

Truth!!

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