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Ending abortions is crucial in cultivating a society that values the sanctity of life.

With all the cases today of parents killing their autistic or unwanted children, how can you guys not see that the more you allow this ideology of euthanasia, this belief that children who aren't considered normal should be dead, this belief that an innocent fetus, who has a beating heart, lungs, skin and all the major characteristics of a fully developed baby is nothing more than tissue and bacteria, the more you allow it to flourish, the more murderous society becomes.

We should not even tolerate this ideology. We should not even allow their venomous poison to be spewed into our ears. If you are a Christian, Islamic, or Jewish, it should be easy to see that supporting abortions is a form of Satanism. If you are atheist or any other religion, it is easy to see that taking the life of an unborn child is the same as murder. Pro-choice means you are allowing it to happen when you otherwise have the power to stop it if you stand with millions of others who are ready to end abortions.

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JP1119 · 36-40, M

Several things in no particular order:

1. Satanists are not evil, if that’s what you’re trying to say. They don’t actually worship Satan as a personal god and try to do evil. Satan to them is just a symbol for not pretending to be any holier than what you really are. That’s what their religion is all about. Common misconception, but it’s time to stop vilifying them.

2. Outlawing abortion won’t end it, it will just make abortion dangerous. Women and girls desperate enough to want to kill what’s growing inside them will still get it done, though at great risk to their own health and well-being (unless they’re rich enough to be able to travel to somewhere where it’s still legal to have a trained professional do it for them).

3. You know what’s not controversial? Never heard [i]anybody[/i] complain a lick about this: bodily autonomy of a corpse. If a man, woman, or child is deathly sick and needs an organ transplant to save his/her life, a good, fully functioning organ cannot legally be taken from a [i]corpse[/i] (who obviously won’t even be using it anymore) unless that person gave permission for his/her organs to be donated before he/she died. Not even if the sick man/woman/child will die without getting that corpse’s organ. Why? Because that [i]corpse[/i] has control over how its body is used. Pretty soon in my home state of Missouri a woman or girl who is nine weeks pregnant would hypothetically have more legal control over her own body if she were [i]dead[/i] than she would as long as she remains alive and pregnant. Is that what you “pro-lifers” want? To incentivize suicide?!

So what’s the difference? Why is it okay for a corpse to have bodily autonomy but not a live pregnant woman or girl? The issue is females having sex on their own terms. That’s what’s got those so-called “pro-lifers’” panties in a wad. If a female gets an abortion, then there weren’t any lasting consequences for her having sex. That’s unacceptable. That’s what it’s really all about.

Theliberal · 36-40, M

@JP1119 actually it's really about murder. Call it what you will and defend it with Daddy Govr law and your science god. Science is always correct.

JP1119 · 36-40, M

If it’s really about murder, then why doesn’t a healthy potential organ donor get the death penalty nor even [i]arrested[/i] for refusing to donate his/her organs to someone whose life depends on an organ transplant? Why doesn’t the law even [i]permit[/i], let alone require, doctors to take fully functioning organs from a corpse to save the life of someone in need of an organ transplant? You’ve got no right to say the abortion issue is about murder until you resolve the hypocrisy that I just spelled out for you. @Theliberal

Theliberal · 36-40, M

@JP1119 I actually have every right to say it's murder, because it is. Ripping a separate person, separate DNA from the mother is murder. Just a little news flash, wether they were functioning, in great shape or whatnot, once a person dies, the organs are not usable. They have to be removed before death, so taking organs from a corpse would be meaningless.

JP1119 · 36-40, M

Okay well it’s still murder then if you refuse to donate an organ to save someone’s life. You should get the death penalty for that. @Theliberal

Theliberal · 36-40, M

@JP1119 your wrong, what your talking about has nothing to do with abortion. Your comparing taking out an organ that is suppose to be in you, to killing a completely different person growing in a woman? How does that even coincide?

JP1119 · 36-40, M

Bodily autonomy. Legally you have the right to control what happens in your body. You have the right not to donate an organ [i]even[/i] if it means some fully developed [i]person[/i] will die, because it’s your body, your choice. But a woman should get the death penalty for deciding to terminate something that might develop into a person in her womb! That’s not hypocritical! @Theliberal

Theliberal · 36-40, M

@JP1119 no it not! How many of your organs have you donated?

JP1119 · 36-40, M

None. So? @Theliberal

Theliberal · 36-40, M

@JP1119 so your having a hypocritical day eh? I'm sure someone could use something you have.

JP1119 · 36-40, M

I’m not the one saying abortion is murder. I’m not the one calling for the death penalty for women who seek abortions. @Theliberal

Theliberal · 36-40, M

@JP1119 your right, your the one that's calling for the death penalty to those who don't donate organs to those that need them. Your the first one at the chopping block. Your the one that supports it. Unless your a hypocrite of course and just flapping your jaws about something you really don't believe.

JP1119 · 36-40, M

I’m not really in favor of the death penalty under [i]any[/i] circumstances. I’m saying if, as you say, abortion is murder and deserving of the death penalty, then to [i]not[/i] be a hypocrite you should also consider the withholding of potentially life-saving organs murder and deserving of the death penalty. @Theliberal

canusernamebemyusername · M

@Theliberal No it's about sex. You admit it further down.

Theliberal · 36-40, M

@canusernamebemyusername what are you talking about? What causes pregnancy?

Theliberal · 36-40, M

@JP1119 Those are two completely different things.

JP1119 · 36-40, M

No they’re not, I already explained it to you: bodily autonomy. Nobody gets arrested or prosecuted for [i]not[/i] donating a potentially lifesaving organ because that person’s bodily autonomy is valued above the continuation of the sick person’s life. Similarly, the pregnant woman’s bodily autonomy should be valued over the life of the fetus inside her body. @Theliberal

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JP1119 · 36-40, M

@ISpeakTheTruth 2. LOL what is the very first thing in your post? [quote]Ending abortions is crucial in cultivating a society that values the sanctity of life.[/quote] [i]Ending[/i] abortions. Not going to happen.

[quote]If the left wants to save those women then they will have to support educating women on the dangers of getting those abortions.[/quote] What about the right? Are you just openly admitting that the right doesn’t give a shit about saving pregnant women’s lives? And do you think women or even teenage girls think back alley abortions are safe? They know it’s dangerous, the point is they’re desperate enough they consider it worth the risk anyway!

3. [quote]You are going too far in your belief that we should force everyone to be an organ donor.[/quote] Likewise, you are going too far in your belief that we should force every pregnant female to carry her fetus to term. Both positions are equally absurd. Because maybe some things are more important than just “saving lives”. Things like having control over one’s own body. Like [i]quality[/i] of life, like having something to live for.

winchesterbros

@JP1119 a fetus is a separate entity, not an organ.

JP1119 · 36-40, M

I’m not sure how you can say that a fetus is a separate entity at least until it is viable outside the womb. But even if you’re right, so what? What’s your point?

My point is that anti-choicers claim to value the life of a fetus over a pregnant woman’s bodily autonomy. If that’s the case, then they should be consistent and also apply those values to situations in which someone needs an organ transplant, which would entail the patient’s right to continue living trumping the right of the potential organ donor’s bodily autonomy. @winchesterbros

Theliberal · 36-40, M

@JP1119 what your doing is being a troll on the subject. Don't discuss organ donation until you have given your share. Also a fetus is an innocent entity that deserves a right to live. I have no desire to give a lung to some fool that has smoked their whole life. See the difference?

JP1119 · 36-40, M

@Theliberal So does the right to life trump the right to bodily autonomy? Or is it the other way around?

So you believe in the sanctity of life - until you make a mistake, then life’s no big deal anymore. Life yet to come is more valuable than life that’s already here because fetuses haven’t made any mistakes [i]yet[/i]. Now it makes sense.

Theliberal · 36-40, M

@JP1119 I'm happy to have cleared that up. Why are you still talking anyhow? How many organs have you donated?

JP1119 · 36-40, M

Of course those fetuses that get saved from abortion, I’m sure most of them won’t make any mistakes in life, and I’m sure they’ll relish having the pressure of deserving to die the first time they do make a mistake hanging over their heads. That’s a great way to live.

[quote]How many organs have you donated?[/quote] You still don’t get it, do you? It’s incredibly ironic of you to ask me that given that I’m not the one that’s in favor of legislating away a pregnant woman’s right to bodily autonomy in favor of “saving lives”. How many organs have [i]you[/i] donated? But even if you [i]have[/i] donated one it’s not the same because you were exercising your bodily autonomy when/if you donated an organ. Nobody threatened to arrest you or charge you with murder if you chose not to. @Theliberal