I Am Against Bullying
I am still against the LGBT community. I don't hate the people it's just that to God it's an abomination and I'm with him. Don't hate me for truly being right.
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CopperCicada · M
None of the Gospels mention homosexuality in any way. That's code for it wasn't an issue for Jesus. Or at least those who wrote those narratives.
Three verses in the letters of Paul mention it, Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10. The interpretation hinges on three words in Koine Greek: [i]arsenokoites[/i], [i]malakos[/i], and [i]porneia[/i]. Nobody really seems to know what these words definitively mean. Why? Because one has to bore down into the sexual life of a foreign culture 2000+ years old. They seem to relate to pederasty, prostitution, and generally immoral sex. If you're a fucked up person you'll conflate these with consensual sex between adults-- now or in ancient times.
As for Jude 1:7, this refers to a desire for "strange flesh", [i]sarkos heteras[/i]. This has been interpreted as wanting to get it on with angels. Yea. Leave the angels alone. Of course if you've got issues you'll project anything onto it.
Of course one can fall back on Old Testament law. That's always fun. 76 things are banned in Leviticus. Unless someone lives like an Orthodox Jew and keeps them all, picking and choosing is a little questionable. Leviticus 19:19 prohibits wearing clothes with two kinds of fabrics mixed together. We're all screwed right there with cotton-polyester blends. I'm screwed because of shrimp. In the end I thought the whole point was that Christ put an end to his Mosaic law, so falling back to pick and choose is a little sketchy.
So I'm glad you're super clear about it all. That rocks. My reading of scripture is probably wrong, but I tend to not find anything that makes me think of other people's genitals.
Three verses in the letters of Paul mention it, Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10. The interpretation hinges on three words in Koine Greek: [i]arsenokoites[/i], [i]malakos[/i], and [i]porneia[/i]. Nobody really seems to know what these words definitively mean. Why? Because one has to bore down into the sexual life of a foreign culture 2000+ years old. They seem to relate to pederasty, prostitution, and generally immoral sex. If you're a fucked up person you'll conflate these with consensual sex between adults-- now or in ancient times.
As for Jude 1:7, this refers to a desire for "strange flesh", [i]sarkos heteras[/i]. This has been interpreted as wanting to get it on with angels. Yea. Leave the angels alone. Of course if you've got issues you'll project anything onto it.
Of course one can fall back on Old Testament law. That's always fun. 76 things are banned in Leviticus. Unless someone lives like an Orthodox Jew and keeps them all, picking and choosing is a little questionable. Leviticus 19:19 prohibits wearing clothes with two kinds of fabrics mixed together. We're all screwed right there with cotton-polyester blends. I'm screwed because of shrimp. In the end I thought the whole point was that Christ put an end to his Mosaic law, so falling back to pick and choose is a little sketchy.
So I'm glad you're super clear about it all. That rocks. My reading of scripture is probably wrong, but I tend to not find anything that makes me think of other people's genitals.
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CopperCicada · M
@SW-User first, i have to say i respect your comments.
regarding biblical exegesis-- that is something outside my pay grade. i seek out people who are educated in these things and i am their student.
i believe their analysis as i have studied the classics. and there the spectrum of human sexuality was far broader than "marriage between a man and a woman". it pretty much has been everywhere, anywhere, throughout history. that is the anthropological and historical record.
what do [i]arsenokoites[/i], [i]malakos[/i], and [i]porneia[/i] mean in the minds of the authors of the new testament? quite honestly-- i don't know. i can say "don't know" with complete certainty as i am a writer and often nuance contemporary meanings of words in the 21st century as i feel fit, to communicate my meaning. it's possible that the intention was the accepted meaning of those terms around the time of christ. it's possible there is another nuance specific to the authors of the new testament. whatever the meaning is-- it's not in the KVJ. it's in the koine.
so i'm good with "don't know".
what i'm not good with is 100% certainty that "god hates fags".
for me personally, it's irrelevant. i'm happily married (to a woman) for 21 years next week. when somebody tells me they are gay it's about as relevant to my life as them telling me they have a dachshund. [i]oh, ok.[/i]
regarding biblical exegesis-- that is something outside my pay grade. i seek out people who are educated in these things and i am their student.
i believe their analysis as i have studied the classics. and there the spectrum of human sexuality was far broader than "marriage between a man and a woman". it pretty much has been everywhere, anywhere, throughout history. that is the anthropological and historical record.
what do [i]arsenokoites[/i], [i]malakos[/i], and [i]porneia[/i] mean in the minds of the authors of the new testament? quite honestly-- i don't know. i can say "don't know" with complete certainty as i am a writer and often nuance contemporary meanings of words in the 21st century as i feel fit, to communicate my meaning. it's possible that the intention was the accepted meaning of those terms around the time of christ. it's possible there is another nuance specific to the authors of the new testament. whatever the meaning is-- it's not in the KVJ. it's in the koine.
so i'm good with "don't know".
what i'm not good with is 100% certainty that "god hates fags".
for me personally, it's irrelevant. i'm happily married (to a woman) for 21 years next week. when somebody tells me they are gay it's about as relevant to my life as them telling me they have a dachshund. [i]oh, ok.[/i]
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I don't ascribe to the "God hates fags" mentality.
I do believe that we are all sinners (myself included) who are only saved by the mercy of God through His son Jesus Christ.
I understand others believe differently and live in light of that.
Yes the New Testament was written when society at large had different views and opinions of sexuality. However the Biblical ethos calls for purity and holiness. Many fall, but it is still the goal.
Peace.
I do believe that we are all sinners (myself included) who are only saved by the mercy of God through His son Jesus Christ.
I understand others believe differently and live in light of that.
Yes the New Testament was written when society at large had different views and opinions of sexuality. However the Biblical ethos calls for purity and holiness. Many fall, but it is still the goal.
Peace.
CopperCicada · M
@SW-User legit. respect.
i live in the middle of the rural south. gay people form less than 2% of the american population. homosexuality became the subject of more than 20-30% of the sermons in the last congregation i attended.
as i dig into that, i wonder why.
there are so many ways to fall short with purity and holiness. there are so many ways to strive to live up to that.
when i sat down with people who could read the koine it made less sense to me.
but that's just me. but i've been repeatedly told i have place at the table of christ, so so be it.
i live in the middle of the rural south. gay people form less than 2% of the american population. homosexuality became the subject of more than 20-30% of the sermons in the last congregation i attended.
as i dig into that, i wonder why.
there are so many ways to fall short with purity and holiness. there are so many ways to strive to live up to that.
when i sat down with people who could read the koine it made less sense to me.
but that's just me. but i've been repeatedly told i have place at the table of christ, so so be it.
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[c=#BF0080]I admit that these kinds of posts used to tragically bother me. They made me feel like God really didn't care about my suffering and my "plight" of being gay. I prayed for about ten years of my life for God to change me and make me how he thinks I should have been. I've come to the conclusion that if god was truly merciful, loving and all knowing and that he'd understand my suffering and my fears. Love is the summary of the law. Loving God with all your heart and loving your neighbor as yourself fulfills the law. No one deserves to live a lonely life for something they can't help. I'll be gay for the rest of my life and no amount of prayer can change that. Maybe i'll find a guy to spend this life with. 🤗 [/c]
bijouxbroussard · F
@SW-User I think people project their own bigotry, prejudices and hatreds onto the deities of their choice to justify having them while pretending to be good people. The fact that some ancient book might reflect their beliefs only means that people have been doing this for a very long time. A true deity of love would never punish his creations simply for being as he made them. 🤗
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schizosaint · 41-45, F
@Azrael No hate I just stand against sin
Azrael ·
@schizosaint Saying "no hate" doesn't mean it it isn't. You just called a large group of people abominations. I don't really give a shit whatever the fuck that stupid book of yours says. You all are no better than the people who bully kids and tell them to kill themselves and afterwards say that they were "just joking." I don't follow any religion but if I had to, Christianity won't even be an option, I'd much rather follow Satanism.
schizosaint · 41-45, F
@firefall I said I wasn't hateful you did......I can already hear the angels sing
sighmeupforthat · 46-50, M
@schizosaint you're just a piece of shit. nothing else to confirm.
bijouxbroussard · F
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sighmeupforthat · 46-50, M
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[c=#BF0080]lol[/c]
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EnjoyingLife · 61-69, F
God does not hate the person, it does say somewhere in Lev that it's the act.
bijouxbroussard · F
@EnjoyingLife The same verses where people who eat shellfish and wear polyester are doomed. Hope you’re not from the South. 😅
sighmeupforthat · 46-50, M
funny how this is in the anti-bullying category.
bearinthebigbluehouse · 26-30, M
this b8 is too gr8 m8 i r8 8/8 no h8
sighmeupforthat · 46-50, M
wow, your meds run out?