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[center][big]Rape is Natural … really?!?[/big][/center]

Well, this is actually my second attempt at writing this story. The first didn't meet EP's community guidelines and my appeal was unsuccessful. However, EPKimi told me to resubmit so here I am. I suspect the reason the first story was rejected was that I quoted extensively from the EP conversation that prompted me to write this story in the first place. Therefore I've removed most of those quotes and replaced them with a link to where you can find the original conversation (for as long as EP allows such filth to stay in place).

So what is all this about you ask? Well, I met someone on EP a few weeks ago by the name of Pywacket. His views on life could not be more different than mine, which, if you know me, means I wanted to understand him better. He posted a story describing a hypothetical future proof (in the form of a news article) that God does not exist. In his story, he asks Christians, “What will you do then?” So I responded, as I often do on this subject. If you want to read the original story by Mr Pywacket and all the story comments in context, go here: <a href="http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Believe-In-God/5627569" target="ep_blank">EP Link</a>

What followed was 179 pages worth of comments filled with hatred and venom and false claims and just unbelievable animosity toward anyone, especially me, that professed any faith in the Christian God. That’s fine. I run into attitudes like this every day here on campus; I’m used to it. But then Mr Pywacket started digging through my profile and for some reason latched onto my story from 2012 about my ex-boyfriend trying to force me to have sex.

He took excerpts from my 2012 story and its comments and started including them in his responses. Yup, in our discussion on whether or not God existed and whether or not Christianity was a vile and wicked faith, he started sprinkling in disgusting references to that day. I allowed myself to get way too involved in that conversation and I have since pulled out of the conversation completely. However, I need to draw attention to one aspect of it, because I have heard this same attitude toward sexual assault here on campus as well and it concerns me.

There is actually a school of thought out there that we are all just animals anyway and rape is part of the natural order. Yup, you read that right. I have heard these words uttered in person by guys standing in front of me. Of course, in person, such people profess that they would never do such a thing and that societal constructs prohibiting such behavior are mostly a good thing, but that it is none-the-less part of the natural order. Yup. I’ve had these conversations with guys. It’s scary.

It’s scary because it accepts that sexual assault is inevitable and natural and simply part of being the animal that we all are. I don’t want to put words in Mr Pywacket's mouth, so here are a couple of excerpts:
-- “If you weren't such an ignorant religious fanatic you would understand that a hard-wired biological imperative millions of years in the making, and passed down through the evolution of the species was driving his thoughts, his speech, and his actions. And there isn't a damn thing wrong with it. Your body is 'designed' through evolution to be raped and survive it.”
-- “Nature rewards female for being raped.”
-- “Not that long ago, he would have ignored your protests and simply overpowered you, as men have done for 200,000 years. And you would have gotten over it, and wanted him to do it again and again and again.”
-- “Had he accomplished the rape, you would have been all upset because of your beliefs, but you would also have the memory of how good it felt.”

Yes, folks, you read that right:
-- my body was designed through evolution to be raped,
-- nature rewards me for it,
-- if my ex-boyfriend had been successful I’d have wanted it (rape) again and again,
-- and I would have been left with fond memories
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In my original story I stopped about here intending to let you, the reader, draw your own conclusions and to hopefully start a dialog. However, I’ve since had another week of interaction with Mr Pywacket. In this extra fun-filled week, he has expressed some observations specifically about childhood sexual assault. He gets offended when I call them opinions or beliefs or even conclusions. They are simply his observations of fact. These next quotes (below) come from comments he made on my story about my love for my girlfriend: <a href="http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Want-To-Find-My-Soulmate/5672914" target="ep_blank">EP Link</a>

The story comments drifted far from anything remotely related to the original post and it bothers me that a story like this is ruined by this type of crap. I am very close to violating one of my personal standards here on EP and just going and deleting all his comments on that story. For now, they are there. So here you go, Mr Pywacket on the topic of childhood sexual abuse:
-- “So the millions of girls who had sex with adults and DIDN'T have your experience are all lying? The millions who did NOT have health problems? The millions who loved the sex? The millions who looked forward to it? All wrong?”
-- “I have told you to go to Pandora's and read what the experts have to say. About the girls who had sex starting when they were very very young ... and loved it. And didn't want it to stop. Little girls who instigated it. Initiated it. Yes, they even knew they shouldn't be doing it. But they wanted to. And they did it for years. And never got caught.”
(These comments were directed to some else, not me, who had survived childhood sexual abuse.)
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So where does this leave us? How do we respond to attitudes like this? And when I say “we”, I am not referring to “Christians” or to “Humanists”; I am referring to any of us that believe in a just society. I am referring to any of us that believes we all, as human beings, have a right to feel secure in our surroundings.

I currently live on a fairly well known, northeastern USA university campus. My school goes to great lengths to ensure that we all know how to be safe because there is an unacceptable level of sexual violence on American campuses, but that doesn’t even compare to what is happening around the world.
-- We are now one year out from the kidnapping and sexual enslavement of the 200+ school girls in Nigeria by Boko Haram. I hope you’ve tweeted the hash tag: #BringBackOurGirls. I did. Many times. And will continue to.
-- When ISIS stormed Yazidi Iraq, many of the men were forcibly converted to Islam but the girls were sold into sexual slavery to be raped again and again. I wonder how many of them have fond memories of their rapes as Mr Pywacket would have us believe.

I am posting this simply to raise awareness and spur discussion. I think Mr Pywacket’s perspective on and attitude toward rape is dangerous. If he were an isolated voice, then I wouldn't give it another thought, but, as I stated above, I hear this attitude here on campus. I think it is partially behind the problem we have on American university campuses now. Sexual assault is treated by some as inevitable or excusable or simply part of the human condition. Treating it as such lessens the strength of the “society constructs prohibiting such behavior” and essentially encourages it. Yup, this is just my opinion and I have no data to back it up, but I do believe attitudes like Pywacket’s to be very dangerous.

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PYWACKET

Sara ......

So what is all this about you ask? Well, I met someone on EP a few weeks ago by the name of Pywacket. His views on life could not be more different than mine, which, if you know me, means I wanted to understand him better. He posted a story describing a hypothetical future proof (in the form of a news article) that God does not exist. In his story, he asks Christians, “What will you do then?” So I responded, as I often do on this subject. If you want to read the original story by Mr Pywacket and all the story comments in context, go here: EP Link

PY ......

Sara was attempting to hijack the thread. I stated up front it was a HYPOTHETICAL scenario:

What would Christians do if it was proved god did not exist?

IF THIS IS TRUE, WHAT WILL YOU DO DIFFERENTLY

TOMORROW ... IF ANYTHING?

WHAT WILL YOU DO WITH NO GOD?

CAN YOU LIVE WITHOUT PURPOSE?

WITHOUT MEANING?

WITHOUT HEAVEN TO LOOK FORWARD TO?

WILL YOU GIVE UP? END YOUR LIFE?

WITH NO THREAT OF ETERNAL PUNISHMENT

WILL YOU BECOME AMORAL?

OR WILL YOU LEARN TO ACCEPT THIS NEW REALITY?

AND SEEK NEW PURPOSE AND MEANING IN LIFE?

WILL YOU LEARN TO APPRECIATE LIFE?

TO TREASURE THIS LIFE YOU HAVE?

Science is seeking the origin of matter. Right now.

Today's hypothesis could be tomorrow's reality.

What will you do?

~ from PY's OP.

I had created the hypothetical scenario in response to the many claims Christians make about atheists, such as having no purpose, being amoral, etc.

I posed reasonable and valid questions ....

I guess Sara was disturbed by the questions and began arguing that I had not proved god did not exist, apparently out of concern that some idiot might read the OP and think it was real.

Her first post:

"It is interesting that the second question after your hypothetical news story is, "WHAT WILL YOU DO WITH NO GOD?" I read your "news" story and see nothing in it that either proves nor disproves the existence of our Creator. It simply describes what people of faith would call the mechanism of His Creation; what an atheist would call a random occurrence."

God can never and will never be proven or disproven on this Earth until He himself decides to reveal His existence. Quite simply, for us here in this world, He is a matter of faith. You either believe or you don't.

I wish you well on your journey through life. ~ SaraBees95

What Sara did here is commonly known as 'trolling'. She was clearly not being responsive to the hypothetical questions posed in the OP. Furthermore, she made unsupported positive assertions, claiming the existence of God can never be proven or disproven ... but WILL be proven when (the presumed to exist) God decides to reveal His existence.

Proselytizing.

It was a HYPOTHETICAL scenario. Sara kind of forgets to mention she was being a troll.

Sara ......

What followed was 179 pages worth of comments filled with hatred and venom and false claims and just unbelievable animosity toward anyone, especially me, that professed any faith in the Christian God.

PY ......

Well, that's not exactly true, either. Considering the fact that she was a troll, I was actually very patient with her. At first.

This was my response to her trolling:

"On the contrary, the news story 'proves' no intelligence was involved at all. Rather, what we see today is the end (or current) product of completely natural processes. No god 'willed' the earth into existence, or 'popped' humans onto the earth.
Unquestionably, for the universe, and us to be 'created', an intellect of supernatural power and proportions would be necessary.
The process described in the news story requires no intelligence at all, and no supernatural intervention." ~ PY

So where is the hatred and venom and false claims?

IT WAS A HYPOTHETICAL. HELLO?

Sara ......

That’s fine. I run into attitudes like this every day here on campus; I’m used to it. But then Mr Pywacket started digging through my profile and for some reason latched onto my story from 2012 about my ex-boyfriend trying to force me to have sex.

PY ......

Once again, Sara is not being truthful. She went through MY stories FIRST, trying to find a weakness to exploit. And she thought she found one ...

She took a statement I made OUT OF CONTEXT, and insisted that I actually believed there was a Christian God. I made several attempts to correct her, explaining how she obviously had MISSED prior comments in that story, but she had it stuck in her head that she had 'exposed' my belief in God.

Since she had dug through MY stories, I was certainly within protocol to dig through HER stories. I didn't pull her story about her boyfriend for NO reason. She OPENED the door when she brought up her devastatingly traumatic 'attempted rape'.

Having read what she had actually been DOING with her boyfriend for MONTHS, any reasonable, halfway intelligent person would have looked at her claims of trauma as being patently ABSURD.

Now I explained to Sara EXACTLY why I brought it up, why it was relevant and germane, but she seems to have forgotten all of that.

I don't think I'm going to waste much more of my time on this, as Sara can't seem to tell the truth, and she will just delete this as soon as she sees it anyway.

To Sara's many supporters, with only a couple of exceptions, you are stupid, crude, and dishonest. Exceptions being Sarah and ... ? Ok, I'm not going to include Woden, as he clearly has a decent streak. Thank you again for your kind words. And again, I apologize for mine. Sara deleted my prior apology.

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PYWACKET

Well, with rare exception, such as Sara, you people ARE terrified of a head on debate.

And at least Sarah had the integrity to admit my facts were sound, even if she thought I was an asshole. Which I won't deny.

High marks to her.

I notice you don't have the balls to attack Sarah for her conditional support.

Not a peep out of you challenging Sarah.

A wise move of course, because she clearly has the brains to drill your ass into the ground.

Ok. This was fun but I have more important things to deal with.

Have a nice day Punkinhead. :)

Sarahbellas

I’ll thank you not to use me to try to antagonize my friends, Py.

PYWACKET

Lol. Of course. My bad.

flowergurl90

As a victim of sexual assault i have to say something here,rape is not natural,there is nothing natural about it.We as women cannot suffer through this horrific crime and be expected to go on with life as normal,it is not that simple...It can take months or years just to come to terms with what happened...We feel violated and unsafe,we lose trust in humans...Then there is the day of court of the accused where we have to relieve the who horrible incident all over again,we must tell what happened and answer many questions with yes or no...We must face our attacker while being questioned by the defense attorney who basically tries to pressure us into admitting we set ourselves up for the assault or admit we other wise encouraged the ruthless attack on us..There are not only physical wounds but mental ones also..The nightmares that exist,the feeling we get when we are out in public and people stare at us giving us the feeling every one knows...It is even worse in a small town like where i live,every one knew about it from reading the paper and watching the news on television,every time i was out it seemed to me like people were staring at me as if saying "hey there is the girl who was raped" Our self esteem is torn away and we must cope with that also,life did not simply return to normal...

Pywacket's statements about our bodies being designed through evolution to be raped and be rewarded by nature for it is the most ridiculous thing i ever heard of,that is not what our bodies were evolutionary designed for,just because we have a vagina and breasts does not mean our bodies were created solely for the purpose of rape..We all know they type of people who commit sexual assault and why they do it,whatever the reason is not a valid reason to commit sexual assault...In the case of my assault and the attempted assault of the author of this post,neither of wanted it,neither of us set ourselves up for it,both were committed by people we trusted not to ever do something like that,rape is not a sign you love some one..No woman who has ever been raped has been walking down a street,no woman who has ever been raped have been with someone they trust and loved and had that person say, "I love you" and commit the act after,that is not a sign of love.Some men feel they cannot have sex with someone willing,so they feel they need to instead force themselves upon the female no matter if the female says no or not,No should mean no..Because we resist and attempt to fight back does not mean we are doing so playfully,when we resist in turn makes the male even more aroused and think we are playfully resisting,No,we are trying to protect ourselves..We do what we have to do and can to protect ourselves from such things,in the case of what happened to the Author of this post,she had the ability to defend off her boyfriend who refused to accept her saying no,she had do what was necessary to defend herself...At the time i was assaulted i wish i had the same opportunity to do as she did,but my attacker was twice my size and attacked as i was in my bed asleep,not giving me time to be able to defend myself,i made the attempt though...

That night haunted me for years after,i had nightmares and forced me to make many changes in my life,i could not sleep at night without locking my door,it changed how i acted,i was always more on guard taking more precautions to protect myself...I never went any where alone,day or night..I carried items for self defense and maybe i over reacted a few times in using them but better safe than sorry! I took self defense classes and learned to defend myself without weapons,i still to this day practice what i was taught and i exercise several times a week to be as physically fit and strong as possible for someone my size...Also i was taught by my Grandfather to shoot and purchased a firearm to protect myself...I go to the shooting range to keep my shooting skills sharp,i also took a firearms course and obtained a concealed carry permit..Would i shoot someone in self defense,yes i would and i have,but that is another story...

I agree with Sara that Pywacket's view on rape is dangerous,as is Mr.Pywacket,it is as if he is saying from the moment we are born and we are females,we all exist to be raped,to me that is such a Neanderthal way of thinking...

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flowergurl90

If you say rape is natural,as a sexual assault victim there was nothing natural about it to me...

I did suffer a lot and still do from time to time..

flowergurl90

Sexual violation does suck,i am not saying only women are victims..I know why a sexual violation is so horrific,i was raped..I know why and do not need to seek the answer,same with any sexual assault vicitim..

Sex is a sacred thing between 2 people who are in love,it is special between the two,rape is not special,not one woman in my support group said it was special compared to consensual sex,...

flowergurl90

Not at all,women handle things differently than men do,its like being shot or stabbed,once a victim,always a victim!

aarontkdbball

Sara,

I'm so sorry that you have to encounter people who espouse such ridiculous views. The problem is that this guy takes one thing that is true (i.e., that rape does occur in nature in various species, including human beings, unfortunately) and then draws ridiculous conclusions and makes ridiculous statements based on that singular thing.

By his logic, murder happens, so everybody should just "suck it up," and if you get murdered, then you should "enjoy it" and "accept it." That obviously makes no sense. Just because some people do bad things (e.g., rape, murder) does not mean that anyone (or we, as a society) should just accept it.

To the contrary, we should do our best to think about what is right and just within the constructs of our society (e.g., civil liberties, but to understand and appreciate that one person's rights end where another person's rights begin).

Also, let's assume, arguendo, that all of us men are "hardwired" to have the potential to rape. I don't believe that, but let's assume he is correct just for the sake of the argument. Does that mean that we all should? Does it make it right? Of course not. Even if we are all "animals" and "hardwired" to possibly do bad things, does not mean we should and does not mean that we should rise above it and use our brains.

I do believe that human beings are animals, and like all animals, we have evolved (or, at least, most of us have evolved -- when I hear stories about people like this who try to defend rape, it makes me question how evolved those people are). We, as a society, have declared it wrong for one person to rape another person, and anyone who does so risks going to jail for a long time (where that person would belong). Period, end of sentence. What this guy has said is simply contrary to law.

This guy is obviously welcome to his opinions, and he is even free to voice his opinions. We are obviously free to our opinions, and we are free to ridicule him for his backwards, cave-man, sexist, ridiculous opinions. We are also free to ignore and block him. Life is too short to waste time dealing with people like him. But, most importantly, if he were to ever try to act on his beliefs, I hope that (1) whoever he tries to rape is well-versed in martial arts and/or self-defense and kicks him out of the gene pool, and (2) he still goes to prison for a long time. We simply have no place in our society for people like that. So long as he confines his ridiculous views to words only, he can remain a part of our society, no matter how repulsive he is, and those of us who are civilized and evolved need to just tune him out -- that is the price we pay for the first amendment -- and he can continue to say ridiculous things to any audience who is willing to listen. I, for one, am not willing to waste any time with people like him. He is a lost cause. He is not someone who will change. It is obvious from his comments. I recommend you not waste any further time with him. Instead, you should spend your time interacting with people who are positive, supportive people in your life, and to the extent you want to engage in charity, I recommend you save such time/energy/effort for those more deserving and more likely to learn and grow from your efforts.

Best regards,
Aaron

sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

Thanks Aaron! Something tells me you know a thing or two about the law! ;-)

I've thought about his logic chain as well and reached the same conclusion. Thanks for the explanation.

aarontkdbball

Loser. Blocked. See how easy that was, Sara?

Kman4You

Well stated and totally agree

PYWACKET

S) I currently live on a fairly well known, northeastern USA university campus. My school goes to great lengths to ensure that we all know how to be safe because there is an unacceptable level of sexual violence on American campuses,

P) I don't know why I feel I should give a pass to to people who are totally lacking in ethics and integrity. I don't know why I should feel sorry for them, but I do.

Well, sorry or not, these issues are too important.

So apparently none of you bright young people see the problems with Sara's above statement.

" ... because there is an unacceptable level of sexual violence ..."

Sara, exactly what level of 'sexual violence' IS acceptable? Lol. How stupidly absurd.

It never ceases to amaze me when people post this shit. It SOUNDS really bad. OMG!! Sexual VIOLENCE!!!

Sara's view, shared by many Christians/feminists, is that any time a person initiates an action that is sexual in nature, such as sliding a hand under a shirt and fondling a breast or running a hand up a skirt, without having asked and receiving clear and unambiguous permission beforehand is sexual VIOLENCE.

Suddenly a criminal act has been committed. There is a sick, evil, twisted, vicious PERVERT and a poor helpless, traumatized for life victim.

All part of the Christian agenda to stamp out fornication. We are all supposed to believe that the victim is going to have nightmares and flashbacks the rest of her life.

Lucky for her, the bible doesn't mention strap-ons and dildos. In fact, since females are property in the bible, they don't even care if she fucks around with other girls.

Insane religion.

If a guy is making out with a girl and slides his hand up to her panties and the side of his finger falls below the imaginary line you would have if you laid a ruler across the outermost parts of her sex organ, even though she still has her panties on, he has committed rape. This act, without prior permission meets the new federal definition of rape. It is sexual VIOLENCE.

According to Sara and her fellow Christians.

S) but that doesn’t even compare to what is happening around the world.

P) You are so right on that one.

S) -- We are now one year out from the kidnapping and sexual enslavement of the 200+ school girls in Nigeria by Boko Haram. I hope you’ve tweeted the hash tag: #BringBackOurGirls. I did. Many times. And will continue to.

-- When ISIS stormed Yazidi Iraq, many of the men were forcibly converted to Islam but the girls were sold into sexual slavery to be raped again and again.

I wonder how many of them have fond memories of their rapes as Mr Pywacket would have us believe.

P) Except that I did not say that. And again, for you to infer that your little sex party with your boyfriend and what these girls have endured have even the slightest similarity is ludicrous.

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PYWACKET

P) If you don't mind Sarah, I will just finish responding to your statements addressed to me, then I will be on my way.

S)After all you’ve admitted that you don’t care what people think about you, so you have no reason to come back to Sara’s page to defend yourself here,

P) Sarah, that's a non sequitur. You don't commit many of those, thankfully. It's true I am not concerned what people think of me, so long as they recognize that the information I put out is the truth, fully supported by science.

As you have said (and I appreciate your integrity in saying so) my facts are sound, even if I do not deliver the information in the most agreeable manner.

I'm sure you can understand why I would not want this to get lost in the shuffle.

S) or tear apart comments because they are wrong and restate things, and make your points about Christianity…every time someone leaves a comment, right?

P) I tear apart comments because the are either nonsensical, dishonest, or demeaning. You don't find me tearing apart reasonable, factual statements.

PYWACKET

S) You’ve also admitted that you’ll make your points as strongly and harshly as you wish…and that you see it as permissible and useful so long as no one kills themselves over it.

P) Shouldn't you be having this conversation with your friends? I post factual information, and am attacked from every quarter.

I respond to those attacks harshly, but truthfully. They attack my messages repeatedly, claiming to have 'reviewed' the posts, doing everything in their power to get readers to disregard the information. Everything, that is, except actually taking a point and debating it on it's merits, as I have noted numerous times.

Your friends are most unpleasant and exceeding dishonest. Is there a reason why I should be gentle with them?

S) I guess in some ways I can understand such an attitude. But I cannot appreciate it when it is my friends involved.

P) I don't blame you for feeling this way. But you really do need to place the blame where it belongs. I won't sit still for the exceedingly bad behavior of your friends

PYWACKET

S) Today, I am overruling any contradictory friends’ opinions (if there are any). I am done with tolerating your attitude towards my friends…

P) Your intolerance is misplaced. I did not start out attacking your friends. They attacked me and I responded.

S) so I will simply say this: Clear off talking to Sara, or on her story posts… or I will make it clear to EP that your attitude is not one they would want to tolerate on their site…

P) Yes, I wanted to get to this before I left.

I have had my life threatened more times than I can count. For lying? For maligning good people? For advocating terrorism?

Nope. For exposing the lies of others. For telling the truth. For fighting against injustice.

People like your friends, as I have already said, have no interest in truth. You have announced more than once that my facts are sound. So did they back off? Apologize? Do their own research to verify my facts?

Sarah, here's the deal. The Christian majority have, throughout history, done their best to suppress speech they don't like. They do not give a damn if it is true or not.

They resort to every possible dirty, sneaky, dishonest means they can to suppress it.

How many times must we be reminded that free speech is the very foundation of our constitutional form of government?

Popular speech needs no protections. It's the unpopular speech that needs it. Now you would have a legitimate complaint if I was lying. If I was spreading misinformation. If I was just trying to cause trouble.

But that is NOT the case and you know it. People in this country are suffering under the policies of the Christian Right.

If fighting against injustice is reason to have me kicked off the site, then you are guilty of trying to suppress legitimate speech ... cuz you don't like it.

Tell you what dear. You go right ahead and make your complaint to EP about my 'attitude'. Then I guess we will find out what kind of integrity EP has.

Sarah ... you disappoint me greatly. For one, for not standing up to your jerk friends. For another, because truth obviously DOES take a back seat to other concerns in your mind.

Lastly, because your entire post is beyond stupid. Sara can block me from posting with a couple clicks of the mouse.

if defending my character, and my facts is so offensive to you ...

TELL SARA.

S) no matter how right you are about certain things.

P) I won't claim to be infallible. But I am honest. I never intentionally lie about these very serious issues.

S) And if you back away, even if you don’t back down…and EP does nothing, I will make it my mission in life for the next week to convince Sara to block you

P) No need to have an anxiety attack Sarah. Despite my real disappointment in you, I still happen to like you, and have no wish to cause you undo stress. You have been (mostly) a breath of fresh air. It took guts to acknowledge the truth of my facts. Thank you again.

S) and delete everything she can that has to do with you. And even though my presumption will make her a little mad… I doubt it will be too difficult to convince her to do so…do you?

P) Clearly, Sara has her reasons for not blocking me. Just as clearly, she does not want people being exposed to facts that conflict with her agenda. As she stated, she will not allow me to use her thread as a 'platform'. And if she is human, she doesn't want posts that make her look stupid and petty.

As a favor to you Sarah, I am now gone.

TheGreatLeveler

Sara, I've browsed through some of the exchanges you've had with pywacket while reading your previous story. I can only conclude that he must have a few screws loose in his head. What exactly has your experience with your ex-boyfriend to do with a discussion on religion? I can't think of anything. Not only is it completely irrelevant to the topic, it's also rather tasteless to bring something like that up in a conversation. For someone who claims to be so certain of his case, he sure likes to refer to multiple personal issues of himself and the ones he's interacting with. If anything, that strikes me as someone who's rather uncertain of his case. Maybe he just enjoys acting like a jerk, while blaming every religious person for everything that went wrong in his life.

As for his perception on rape, I find it hard to take any of that seriously. While I completely agree that sexual assault isn't being taken as serious as it should be and that there are quite a lot of people with ignorant, or simply misguided perceptions and attitudes about rape, I don't think there are many students on campuses that would align themselves with any of pywacket his statements. Don't get me wrong, I do think it needs to receive more attention. I just don't think there are many people like pywacket running around on campus. It's true that nature doesn't have a biological consent mechanism, but that doesn't make sexual assault any less wrong. Neither does the way we are biologically wired make such a thing "inevitable" or "excusable". As the species with the highest level of self-awareness we always have a choice. We can opt to ignore or exploit any animalistic instinct or desire we are wired with. I think he's greatly underestimating and ignoring the psychological traumas, which victims of sexual abuse continually suffer from throughout their life’s. I haven't heard of pandora's project before, but I find it hard to believe that a nonprofit organization, meant for survivors of sexual assault, would have a similar attitude towards rape and I strongly doubt it he has done any substantial research on the topic.

I think you did the right thing to cease contact with this person. Nothing good will come of any further interaction with him. He will just continue to press his case in the same manner he has done so before. I'm not a big proponent of censure measures here either, but in your situation I think I would've removed his comments. They have nothing to do with your story, are disrespectful and insulting, towards you and your friends.

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PYWACKET

I think, when I have a little more time, I'm going to dismantle this long post from the GreatLeveler.

I'm curious to see if he/she can hold up in a rational discussion.

I'm going to guess up front that the answer is no.

Sometimes there are just too many idiots to deal with. I'm only one person and addressing all the crap these people put out is time consuming.

PYWACKET

Mr. Leveler, just a small point. These are issues I have researched for quite a few years. I don't state a fact unless I'm absolutely sure it IS a fact. Generally I include links to the source(s) of my facts.

You, by contrast, don't seem to feel your opinions require support. You don't 'think' there are many college students who would align themselves with any of my statements. Hmm. I'll go you one better. I would be very surprised if ANY college students aligned themselves with any of my statements. Unless of course, they want to hounded out of school. At best. And that would be just the beginning. Assuming we are talking about a male student, he would be lucky if he wasn't beaten by well-meaning defenders of feminine virtue. To death. His face would be plastered across every social media site. His parents, siblings, extended family would all know about it. And they would hear from all the people in their circles. The animosity directed toward his family could end up costing his parents their jobs. His younger siblings might have to change schools. The firestorm could very well end up attracting the attention of the national media.

There would be the usual hate mail ... including death threats.

Some boys might decide to rape his younger sister, just to make it more 'personal' for him.

Getting a job? Forget it. Nobody is going to hire this sick predator.

No Mr. Leveler, I don't think there will be 'many' who will align themselves.

Of course, that's why researchers have college students participate anonymously.

And the ANONYMOUS polls and surveys reveal that around HALF of male college students are willing to admit ANONYMOUSLY that they would RAPE a girl if they believed they would get away with it.

Now tell me, Mr. Leveler ... is this a 'perception' of mine? An 'opinion'? A 'view'? A 'belief'? An 'attitude'?

You can try to discredit ME until hell freezes over. It's not going to invalidate the research studies. It's not going to throw them under a pall of suspicion. I didn't do the studies. I simply report on them.

Sara brings up these horrific cases of violent kidnappings and rapes.

Really Sara? Did I say this is ok? No. I did not.

You are a shameless liar Sara. Do you even HAVE any morals?

Not only are you willing to go to any lengths to try to discredit me, but you have the fucking audacity to imply that what you experienced is similar to their experiences.

Sara, how could you dare to even hint that the experiences of these poor terrorized girls has ANY relationship whatsoever to your 'so-called' attempted rape?

It's sickening. Absolutely sickening.

I said females have evolved to survive rape. Even little girls will survive being raped by an adult. Very little girls.

It's extremely rare when a child dies from rape.

Sara (and the Christian conservatives ... and feminists) would have us believe that it's an act of violence. The rapist wants to hurt the victim. The rapist hates the victim. It's not about sex. It's about humiliating the victim. Making the victim suffer as much as possible.

So Sara. That what was going through the mind of your boyfriend?

He just wanted to hurt you? He hated you? Wanted to humiliate you? Wasn't about sexual pleasure?

Too funny.

PYWACKET

Mr. Leveler sir. Do YOU have a computer? Oh good. Then why don't you PROVE I'M LYING? It's really easy to do.

YOU go to Pandoras and read what they tell the 'survivors' of CSA.

Pandora and I do not share the same 'attitude'.

They are very much against it. I am not in FAVOR of it, but I do recognize how powerful the biological drive is.

bethturner

I did not agree when you continued to talk to him, but now you have set down his opinions and "arguments" I can see how important it is to challenge these in the open. If we do not, it degrades us as decent human beings. Well done, and I hope (and know) you will continue with speaking up on your own campus :-)

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Sarahbellas

Thanks for the clarifications. On both the study and the Christianity thing... It's been a long while since I've last talked or read about much of this, and I've been exhausted all week...so I'm not surprised that my memory is off at times. :/
I've generally not cared about the letter of the law when it comes to Christians making a big deal about marriages being exceptions for things throughout the years...because I believe that with time that will change more and more as people care less about marriage...and because most Marriage laws that I'm aware of in the USA mean that people under the age of 17 have to go through a big hassle with family court and such...and unless I'm mistaken...I understand that it's actually fairly difficult for adult/child relationships to get approved as a legal marriage. But then it's not like I've run down all the public records for marriage licenses to know just how many there are or have been. lol

I hope you are able to live long enough to at least get some respect for your cosmological model and in sueing those people at your ex-job. It isn't right for someone to discriminate and conspire to get rid of someone like that...so I hope you case goes well. I have to admit to being a bit at a baby stage in understanding string theory and most of what you were all talking about so thanks for adding the links, so I can jog my memory on some of these topics . Mostly because I never really was all that interested in it over some of the other things that I'm more passionate about learning and theorizing about. But from what little I do know...it's really great that your model lasted as long as it did...but I suppose that makes sense...since you mentioned it doesn't rely on strings! And If Dr. Suntzeff had some good things to say about it, then I think you ought to feel proud about your work.

It's also very cool that you got into it with Neil DeGrasse Tyson.

I am however very much interested in your theory regarding alien civilization and radio. I would be interested to hear about it, if you'd be willing to take the time to explain it. :-) Because it is not a theory that I've heard much about. Why is it that we might be the only species capable of producing radio? And if that is the case...I guess it makes sense why we haven't found any alien civilizations yet. But at least people have found some interesting things by looking around at galaxies and trying to figure out where the levels of radiation that are detected are from. So that's pretty brilliant itself.

sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

Hey Py -- In so seriousness, I'm also more than a little interested in the lack-of-radio-capable-aliens thing. And I was looking at your cosmological model with my brother last night. To soon to comment, but nice work.

Sarahbellas

You're right, it's not helpful to people in prison. And while I have some sympathy for people in prison when it might be a genuine case of consensual sex with a minor. Espeically if they didn't know it was a minor at the time...I also think it has to be recognized that even if I think the law needs to be tweaked...most of those people knew they were doing something considered illegal. idk. I don't think the whole force of the law for "rape" or whatever the law says for thier state should come down on them...but idk. And I suppose to a point of view...I get why you are comparing it to Sharia law. Our country makes a big deal about separation of Church and State...but it's sometimes muddled together. Some places in Europe do a finer job of separating the two at times, I think. And yeah I agree...I don't think there's a perfect solution either. There will always be innocents who do to jail...and there will always be those chances for abuse.

If there are such cases currently in the USA...a country that seems to always portray child marriages in other countries in the media as this terrible thing, go unrecognized? I might have to do some research some day and say something...if only because if true it is a part of the country that is hidden from many others. And I find that unacceptable.

Thank you, I appreciate that. I don't wish to be reminded either. ;p

Take your time. It will give me at least a week then to ponder about sharks. I will consider it a bit of a riddle to figure out how it applies to radio and humans and aliens during any of my free time. And I consider that to be a very fun little intellectual pursuit. :-)

And I very much look forward to hearing about it when you have the time and opportunity to share your thoughts about it.

Firechidist

Pywaket is just a sick person. I'm not shocked by what he said here because that's what he always been saying, especially if you contact him through PM, he tells you everything. He pretty much said all children have fantasies of having sex with adults. Rape is not harmful because most victims enjoy it but christians 'indoctrinate' children to think otherwise, so when perpratrator gets jail time for their crimes, its the christians fault because perpratrator did nothing wrong (Can you get any more deluded then that?) He doesn't just think rape is natural but he also thinks pedophilia is. He pretty much said all men are pedophiles that fantasize having sex with prebuscent girls, and all children fantasize having sex with adults therefore there's nothing wrong with having sex with underage children. He designs his arguments in a way that it program and manipulate you to agree with what he says (He actually admitted this to me) He harasses, bullies, insults anyone with a different opinion to him, he nearly gave me a mental breakdown from all the mental abuse and the constant belittling, insults, and attempts to program me just because I didn't agree with anything he wrote. Best thing to do is ignore him. Its relieving to see I'm not the only one who had to go through his bullshit but its sad he continues to do this.

sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

Hey girl...thanks for the comment and the support. I am well aware of his insulting and bullying strategies. He seems to resort to them anytime someone disagrees with him, and he readily admits to this. If you've genuinely been that bothered by him in the past then maybe just ignore this story, okay? I'd love to meet and get to know you if you want, but maybe this story isn't the best way for us to meet? K? Message me anytime.

Firechidist

I don't need to ignore this story I've already read it, but I understand what you're saying. Thanks for your concern but I'm not bothered. Its clear to see now you know who you dealing with and that's good. Thanks for the welcome.

sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

No worries! And, very nice to meet you! ;-)

sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

Hi Py --

Well, first, thank you for all the responses to this story. As I'm sure you've noticed in our back-and-forth lately, I've been trying to reel you in and get you to talk about the subject of this story which is YOUR words and YOUR views. It seems you only want to vent your dislike of other people's views and it was not my intent to provide you the stage from which to do so.

Therefore, I am doing something I've never done on EP before: I am going through the comments below and selectively deleting those I deem as having been a distraction from this topic. If you want to talk about the views of others, you can write a story and post it on your page and I'm sure those who are interested will comment back. This story is about YOUR views.

Sorry,
~Sara

CountryExperiences

Good for you Sara

Kman4You

ignorant assholes. Sorry but that is what this guy is. This is no different than being in the KKK. let's flip the story and he goes to jail, he is going to embrace and enjoy it when big Bibb a rapes his ass, I doubt it. He would have a very different view. He seems like the type of person to get a rise out of spewing hatred, false beliefs and opinions . Its sad but there are people like this, usually from. of being loved enough as a child or hurt by a female on his past or growing up. Wouldn't be surprised but this guy doesn't deserve the attention you as giving him.

sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

Thanks for the comment Kman.

Kman4You

Sorry about the spelling mistakes, I was worked up just reading your story

sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

No worries. Thanks again.

Rutterman

Sara, I read as much of Pywacket's bizarre and mostly irrelevant commentary as I could stand. His remarks about sexual assault are especially offensive and I was really disgusted to see how he polluted the comments section of your lovely story about your love for your girlfriend. Basically, this guy is a thoroughly obnoxious pseudo-intellectual troll with way too much time on his hands. If you won’t block him, do yourself a favor and cease interacting with him until he starts taking his meds again. There are only so many hours in the day and I can’t believe your time wouldn’t be better spent conversing with people who have something worthwhile to say.

sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

Thanks Danny. You're very right about the time commitment and Mr Py certainly has more time than I do to invest in these "discussions"! But there are some things that I just can't leave unanswered. I guess we can consider that one of my personality flaws! :-)

76starships

Angry atheists are the worst opponents. They can justify any depravity on the basis that it exists in nature. We are more than the sum of our animal parts. That's what being human is all about.

And while rape is a part of the human experience, either as a mass weapon in war or a single appalling crime, it doesn't make it acceptable. People form societies to create rules and bounds for behavior to keep anarchy at bay and the darker parts of nature in check.

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sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

Thanks for the comment. You and I agree 100%.

PYWACKET

@ Sara

Umm, which 'you' are you referring to? I would be pleasantly surprised if you were referring to me, but that does not seem likely ...

PYWACKET

Had to go to my phone app to see who you were referring to. :)

PYWACKET

So Sara. Did you happen to go to Pandora? No. You didn't. It's not my website Sara. They are very much against child sex abuse. You ridicule and denigrate my statements about girls enjoying the abuse, initiating it, going back for more, etc. I was telling the truth. And you lack the slightest amount of integrity. You can change this. Right now. You go check out Pandoras. You read what the experts there have to say about this. Then you come back and POST the relevant material and tell all your friends and anyone reading this that YOU WERE WRONG. PY WAS TELLING THE TRUTH AND YOU ARE VERY SORRY FOR MALIGNING HIM ON THIS. Lol. That will be a cold day in hell, won't it Sara?

jeremfg

Once again, I'm amazed at how far you will keep such a conversation going with somebody like that...

What's your motivation, what hopes do you have by pursuing it this far?

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jeremfg

I'm sorry, but no I'm not looking for a challenge in a language I don't speak fluently, nor will I get pulled into one by your attempts at attacking my ego... I have bigger fish to fry, if I used that expression right.

I'll give you this however, you are the first one to ever call me a Christian for as long as I can remember...
The only reason I came into this discussion was to support Sara, a good friend of mine on EP, nothing more!

jeremfg

This all assumes I have any interest or wish in discussing with you.

I'm sure that attacking other people's ego and calling them cowards has always worked for you in the past with the weak-minded, but I certainly won't fall for it. So believe what you will about me, I couldn't care less.

All you'll get from me in my very last message to you is a simple "good night". It's well passed 3AM over here and I need my sleep!

PYWACKET

Does an aluminum foil hat work as good as a tin foil one?

CountryExperiences

Hey Sara, just catching back up with your posts. Can't believe this had to be said let alone that he took your worst memory and dissected it so. I can't say myself if god does or does not exist, but who are we to judge others on what would happen if they suddenly knew this so called truth that their god was false or that there are no gods at all. Religion is based on faith and who should destroy that faith for others?

sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

Thanks Country!

CountryExperiences

If you ever need an hear just go for it and no problem

BurningFist

Wow I shouldn't be surprised by such things, I once wrote a story about some non-believers calling them hypocrites and what not. Well Mr. Pywacket is living proof of my last rant. Unfortunately you're right some people share dangerious sentiments, its almost jaw dropping. Its not easy but I recmend avoiding him Sara.

sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

Thank for the comment DP! As for avoiding or not avoiding him ... I try to stay open to anyone anytime. You know I don't block people. I'm here to exchange ideas in an open and supportive way. ;-)

TerrestrialWoden83

I am so sorry about this, all I want to do is Protect you from idiots like this guy. Rape is not natural, this guy has some messed up ideas.

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sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

Hi Py -- For the record, I did not question your humanity, not ever, not even one time. I questioned your expressed ideas on sexual assault. That is all. Once again, I am very sorry for what you've been through and continue to pray for you.

sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

Hi Py -- I have no desire to argue with you again. Yes, you expressed many facts. I never said you didn't. It was the ideas that you had interspersed with the facts that I wanted (passed tense) to discuss with you. You refused until now to acknowledge that anything you ever said was opinion. Unfortunately, I no longer have any desire to discuss your ideas.

It is not at all inconceivable to me that I might be wrong. That is why I wanted (again, passed tense) to discuss your ideas ... because I always seek to understand people who perceive the world differently than I. But you refused to discuss your ideas. Fine. That was then. This is now.

And, again, I have never called you evil. I have expressed my personal opinion that the ideas you had interspersed among your facts were dangerous ideas, but I never said you were evil.

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As for your first comment above, I do dispute that "most" atheists are offended when told that someone is praying for them. In fact, I've always been somewhat bewildered by this response. It's like the fundamentalist Muslims who take their commandment not to worship idols to an extreme and get offended when anyone else creates a stature or picture or cartoon of the Prophet? I do not understand that offense, nor do I understand yours.

I've had people tell me they are lighting a candle for me. Candle lighting is not part of my tradition or beliefs, but I know that to them it is an offering of good will. Why would I be offended if someone takes good thoughts of me into their most sacred traditions? So yes, I do pray for you and many of my friends who do not believe as I do. Many of them, like you are atheists. I've had a couple laugh and express that my praying for them is silly. I've had people tell me not to waste my time. But you take offense.

I'm sorry I've offended you Py, but I sincerely do wish you well and hope you find peace in this life. The way that I do that (express wishes) is through prayer. I'm sorry that offends you.

TerrestrialWoden83

Sir, I am sorry for your loss and the pain you have suffered. I fought for my country & will always be in pain for the rest of my life. I understand what it is like to hurt to not want to continue living. I lost my fiance in Iraq my baby with her., yet, I still go on. I am sorry that you are dying, but, I think Rape is not a joking matter. When I was in Afghanistan, my squad & I came in to a village that was recently attacked. The animal's who did it raped every woman in the village, including the baby's and left them to die. Our corpsman(medic) spent an hour trying to save a little girl. She died in his arms. This is the reason for my reaction. I am sorry for attacking you & I hope you have a good day.

YellowBrightLight

sheesh what a drama queen you ars.

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YellowBrightLight

That dude has issues, yeah dont most people on this site? You just seem so self-righteous and concieted.

sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

I'm really sorry if I came across that way; it sure wasn't my intent. He sure did hit all my buttons and I was definitely a bit heated when I wrote this. BUT I don't think I said anything above that I'd disagree with today. I do think this attitude that rape is natural is a dangerous attitude for the reasons stated above.

YellowBrightLight

okie. sure. whatever since u r ellies friend i will allow it

Laur3n

I agree with the other comments,delete and block their is nothing gained from discussions with this lunatic.

sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

Thanks Loz ... and who knows, maybe Py-wacky-dude will be the first person ever that I block. But I don't want to make this about him personally. Perhaps I shouldn't have mentioned him so much.

His attitude is not unique. I could bring you to a half dozen guys right now, right here on my campus that will say the same things and defend it as undeniable truth. This "belief" is out there and I'm just trying to shine a spot light on it.

sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

Sorry I didn't see this four days ago. I would've responded then. I also have a name Py. It is Sara. It is not Sweetie, or Babe, or anything else. So please address me as Sara and I will address you as Py.

chiku18

heyy

sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

Ahh ... "hey" I guess. Not sure how to respond to "heyy"??? Is that all you thought about the story? "heyy"????

chiku18

sarabee1995 · 26-30, F

Okay, whatever. If you have nothing to say, why bother commenting? If you decide you have an opinion on the story and want to talk about it, then please do. Otherwise, I wish you well.

Laur3n

#ThisDoesNotMeanYes

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