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Is evolutionary theory written in stone?

I have posted this elsewhere but thought it was worth saying . I have always loved science and have qualifications in the subject . However I do realise that science has its limitations . We should not worship science or think scientists and their work are infallible as all scientific theories are just our present thoughts on that particular matter. Unfortunately there are some people who appear to put science on a far higher realm of almost infallibility and do not appear to know that scientific theories which were once accepted as facts have gone to the wall in the light of further research.
In the case of Darwinism, there is an additional difficulty. Well, Charles Darwin wanted to offer an explanation of how the present forms of animal and plant life emerged, he found that some of the pieces of evidence in that argument were inevitably historical. Any attempt to verify the Darwinian theory of evolution requires knowledge of the past yet can the scientific method be actually applied to the study of the past? The point is that such a method must use presently accessible evidence to reconstruct what happened in the past . The problem lies with the degree of plausibility with which it can be done. So important was this difficulty that in 1976 Karl Popper expressed hesitation over whether the Darwinian theory of natural selection could strictly be said to fall within the scope of a scientific method and hence be deemed scientific in character.
Although many evolutionists now think this to be an overreaction based on a legitimate concern, there remains a significant degree of uncertainty and provisionality to any conclusions that are based on the past, precisely because we cannot directly access the earths past history .
It is interesting that even 'Darwin's Rottweiler', Richard Dawkins, sees this:
" Darwin may be triumphant at the end of the 20th century, but we must acknowledge the possibility that new facts may come to light which will force the successes of the 21st-century to abandon Darwinism or modify it beyond recognition ."
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newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
You might find that this has 'a degree of plausibility' (and I'll be interested in your multi-choice selection at the end)

Humans and chimpanzees both carry inactive genes acquired from viruses.
This occurs because some viruses insert a copy of their genome into the DNA of whichever species they infect. These are called retro-viruses... HIV is one such.

Where such viruses infect the cells that produce sperm and eggs, they can be passed on across generations.

The human genome contains thousands of these remnants of long-past infections... now rendered harmless... and so does the chimpanzee genome.

Most of them are in exactly the same place on both genomes.
That’s astonishing, so I’ll repeat it: most of them are on exactly the same place on both genomes.

Let’s choose an explanation from a few (non-exhaustive) options:

1. astonishing coincidence

2. when the gods created humans they decided to sprinkle around several thousand retro-viruses, and they put the preponderance of retroviruses at matching sites on both species because... umm... because... well... because... stop questioning the gods!

3. The majority of retroviruses match because both species inherited them from a common ancestor, who had itself accumulated them from the line of its own descent.

The small number which do not match are the remnants of infections that each species has warded off independently since divergence from the common ancestor... as predicted by the Theory of Evolution.
Speedyman · 70-79, M
I have responded to them and they prove nothing unless you take on board the assumptions you make. You can't seem to see that the point you're making depend on making certain assumptions. But then I wouldn't expect you to say anything apart from your own fundamentalist fanaticism@newjaninev2
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@newjaninev2 Very educative. Always a pleasure to read your responses. Thanks
YoMomma ·
Its just a theory and an imaginary fictional one at that fyi
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Bushranger · 70-79, M
Of course science changes. We no longer think that the sun revolves around the Earth, or that the Earth is flat or all the other old hypotheses and theories that have been disproved by science. Nothing wrong with that, it's what science is supposed to be about.

You seem to have an interesting interpretation of history. I suppose that, technically, anything that happens automatically becomes history, so on one level you may be on to something. But just because something happened in the past, it doesn't mean that the data (information if you prefer) can't be used in the future. If that was the case, we would have no archaeology or history research.

The fossil record has gaps but a lot of it can still be used to study evolution. The fossil record will then be interpreted within that particular paradigm. But the data available in the record does not change, only its interpretation. In exactly the same way that written historical documents can be interpreted in various sociological paradigms. I've seen a feminist/Marxist interpretation of Alice in Wonderland which had a significant difference to every other interpretation that I've seen so far. But it didn't change the story, just presented a different interpretation.

And Dawkins is right, as new techniques are developed, the theory will change, as is appropriate for any scientific theory.

A quick search will reveal that, yes, Popper did dispute Darwinism, but later recanted.
Speedyman · 70-79, M
Oh I see we've now got a feminist Marxist interpretation of Alice in Wonderland instead of evolution 😄@Bushranger
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@Speedyman Ah, an example of your wit.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
Theory , by its nature cannot be written in stone.. Is has to be tested, based on each new piece of evidence and modified or discarded if not supported by fresh observations. That's the thing about science. So far the theory of Evolution fits the proven facts.. Other theories covering similar fields....not so much..
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Speedyman Your quote (I assume you mean Dawkins), merely describes business-as-usual for science.

The changing nature of science (because it is a self-correcting system) is symptomatic of its greatest strength.

Incidentally, why did you write that the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection "remains a theory"?

Do you not understand that a Theory is the pinnacle of scientific achievement?
Speedyman · 70-79, M
Yes but it stays that a theory. Some people want to make it an indisputable fact which is the point what I was making. All theories in science are provisional. I am so glad after writing pages of screed you have finally got that point. @newjaninev2
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
But some theories have science data points and extrapolations. like the fossil records and DNA tracks to back them up.. Others don't.. and to my mind the worst ones claim they don't need proof. Those are hokum.@Speedyman
If I were you I would not mention this too loudly or my ex-son-in-law may hear you and sentence you to hours of droning explanations about how 'scientific theory' did not mean theory but facts carved in plutonium because they would never change.

They're changing this moment as I write this. They should change, they have to change, as methods of study become more sophisticated.
Speedyman · 70-79, M
The only way we can get absolute 'proof' is by mathematics. Everything else is provisional. @Mamapolo2016
@Speedyman It's a good thing I'm not responsible for that.
TheWildEcho · 61-69, M
I'm sure the scientists in Columbus day were all banging on about the earth being flat
Speedyman · 70-79, M
The point was I was trying to make was that the inquisitors were not following the commands of Christ . And if someone does not follow the command of Christ, how can they be Christian? Unfortunately by that time the visible church had lurched into a political entity which was a far from the church that Jesus founded. It was actually people who want to to return to the Bible and the faith that Jesus instituted (ie real Christianity) who were persecuted by the Inquisition. Of course those opposed to Christianity will try and make out that all Christians are like the Inquisition as somebody already has done. In my experience this is totally untrue@whowasthatmaskedman
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
@Speedyman interesting. So, how did the Inquisition get so much power? Why was there no oversight by the church or was it a means to an end?
Speedyman · 70-79, M
The Inquisition got so much power because the church believe the scientists of the day who believed Aristotle’s view of the universe. Sad really @Tastyfrzz
FurryFace · 61-69, M
i read it because it was interesting , a lot of evidence is dug up in bones and layers of sediment of the human past , but wtf do people think we all originated out of Africa ? why not somewhere else on the planet
FurryFace · 61-69, M
@Mamapolo2016 not really , why not some other place ?
@FurryFace I don't think it was arbitrary, like assigned seats. I think there was evidence found there that wasn't found elsewhere, at least not yet. And whether you believe humanity was intentionally created as homo sapiens or evolved, unless the product was launched in a number of markets simultaneously, the first incidence of us had to start somewhere.
iagreed · 70-79, M
@FurryFace Because that's what the evidence points to.
JonathanC · 61-69, M
What a fucking idiot.
Speedyman · 70-79, M
You have just made a typically I'm thinking an uninformed statement which substitutes abuse for argument. Are you really as brainless as that?@JonathanC

 
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