I like men, but I couldn't eat a whole one.

[@8638,MarkPaul] [quote]It's just that it's enough already with the obsession of giving women a leg-up...[/quote]
That actually harms women.

In the UK, one major polictical party tried to get more women into Parliament by forcing thier constituancy parties to field female candidates for election. The were called "Blair's Babes" (q.v.) That did result in more female MPs for a short time but most quickly dropped out due to the demands of the job.

The other major party requires women to compete with men [b]on an equal basis[/b]. The only female Prime Ministers we've had (Margraret Thatcher and Theresa May) both came from that party.

When we make special arrangements to make it easier for women to fill a particular role, women are going to be forced into that role whether they want it or not. For example, when women are entitled to much longer periods of maternity leave than men are to paternity leave, then women are much more likely to be forced to take career breaks to be the primary carers. Also, of course, employers are likely to try to find legitimate reasons to employ men rather than otherwise equally capable women.

[@8638,MarkPaul] who said you have to walk on eggshells?

I don’t.

[@802348,JoeyFoxx] Then stop telling me my commentary is tone-deaf. It's actually in-tune and on-target.

[@949508,V00dooCakeNinja] definitely that’s a traumatic experience that requires recuperation

[@949508,V00dooCakeNinja] [quote]Theyre entitled.[/quote]
That doesn't answer my question. Are they entitled to more leave than women or less?

[@156315,Yulianna] [quote]how much paternity leave do you think men would get if they actually gave birth?[/quote]
Probably less than we currently get. Men are expected to "man up" and get on with it.

[@949508,V00dooCakeNinja] They throw money at people who want children over here.

[@11430,TheSunisout] I had a year off. But after so many weeks it went unpaid. Which was crap because babies are expensive

[@949508,V00dooCakeNinja] Child benefit here
for one child is 219 euro

[@6757,questionWeaver] Not at all.

[@9416,Northwest] [quote]This is where empirical data comes into play, [/quote]
I gave you some data - 92% of workplace fatalities being of men for example.

[quote]then, the real problem is that women are lazy? [/quote]
Strawman. Don't try to put words in my mouth. The point is that benefits have a cost and [b]those particular women[/b] were not willing to meet that cost.

[quote]I'm sure you thought this stat is relevant to the argument. [/quote]
It's highly relevant for the reason I give immediately above. You claim that women aren't treated equally because they don't get an equal share of the benefits. They don't face an equal share of the costs either.

[quote]Where, in your world, it's a choice, but in the real world, it's not.
[/quote]
I live in the real world and I can assure you it is a choice here. In fact I know families who have made exactly that choice for that very reason.

[quote]If you're not aware of how women are discriminated against in these countries, then there's really no point in continuing this conversation.[/quote]
No, I not aware of it because it doesn't happen. If you disagree, provide actual, verifiale examples. I've given you clear, verifiable, examples of how men are discriminated against in some of those countries.

[quote]thank you for proving that the bright are in the West only.[/quote]
What is that meant to mean?

[quote]In addition, that argument is another inequality proof.[/quote]
That's right, proof that inequality, like equality, works both ways and men suffer sex discrimination too.

[@379861,Sharon]

[quote]Strawman. Don't try to put words in my mouth. The point is that benefits have a cost and those particular women were not willing to meet that cost.[/quote]

Let's try again, your words:

[quote]So, maybe women in general don't want the responsibility that goes with those positions.[/quote]

[quote]I gave you some data - 92% of workplace fatalities being of men for example.
[/quote]

And the sun sets in the West. Are we playing a game of who can make the most irrelevant statement?

[quote]No, I not aware of it because it doesn't happen. If you disagree, provide actual, verifiale examples. I've given you clear, verifiable, examples of how men are discriminated against in some of those countries.
[/quote]

In your own mind, perhaps, but not in the real world. If you want me to give you examples of how women are discriminated against in Saudi Arabia, then you're not interested in an honest debate. Goodbye.

[@9416,Northwest] [quote]Are we playing a game of who can make the most irrelevant statement?[/quote]
If were are, you're winning.

I've shown how men are discriminated against in certain countries, including countries you appear to think women are discriminated against. However, are unable or unwilling to even say why you believe woemen are discriminated against. In response to my asking you to state your case, all you did was accuse me of not being interested in hiostest debate!

You complain that women are underrepresented in one area of employment but refuse to even consider that could be due to their lifestyle choices. Do you also believe that the fact men are underrepresented in other areas of employment is due to anti-male sexism? Or do you just dismiss it as "irrelevant" or due to their career choices. In the UK we have a Government "Minister for Women". There is no equivalent for men yet the number of sex discrimination cases brought by (and won) by men clearly show they suffer sex discrimenination too.

In those countries where women appear to be discriminated against [b]in some areas[/b], we find men are discriminated against in others. Whether one cancels out the other or one sex suffers more than the other is a matter of debate but you've made it clear you're not interested in that. Run back to your little echo chamber.