@Mindy1976: Rules are important, no question about it. But as children grow older they need to have a say also and the rules need to change. If all that you can bring up to convince your children to abide by your rules is consequences, you produce manipulators and you convey that you dont trust their opinion and their ability to understand rules. As a parent I dont need to threaten consequences, bc at that point you have given up and have admitted your insecurity and weakness.