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Right or Wrong in the Creation/Evolution Debate [Spirituality & Religion]

There is a mindset within mainstream Evangelicalism that it doesn’t matter who is right, so long as everyone treats everyone well and that we all agree on essentials. In fact, some people go so far as to argue that when person X and person Y hold contradictory positions on an issue, both positions must be accepted as orthodox, unless they are “essential” issues. This mindset has even crept into the creationist camp, with one recent book arguing that we should “play for a draw” with the old earth compromisers.1 While this would be the easier path for Christians, Jesus does not call his followers to an easy path.
In the creation/evolution debate, only one group can be right. The literal Bible and evolution are fundamentally incompatible, no matter what compromised groups such as BioLogos attempt to argue. It therefore logically follows that if only one answer is right, the others are wrong. Yet Wheaton professor and BioLogos contributor John Walton fails to acknowledge this principle. Regarding a colleague who disagreed, Walton wrote, "Rather than suggest that my colleague was wrong, I would assert that while both positions were logical and sought to be faithful to Scripture, I considered my view to offer a preferable interpretation that enjoyed the support of a preponderance of the evidence. In my mind that did not make his view wrong, only less probable. Consequently, I would not suggest that someone holding his view should be considered unfaithful to the Word, heretical in their conclusions, or un-Christian, and thus excluded from the fellowship of the church. Yet those are exactly the sorts of things that people holding a view like his (though not he himself) would say about me and others who hold views similar to mine. I do not attack them as wrong; yet they don’t hesitate to label me that way. There is a difference between being wrong and holding mutually exclusive possible interpretations."
Dr. Walton gives a lot away in this section of the paper. He paints himself and his view as being unfairly labeled wrong. And there is a kernel of truth here. Sometimes there can be multiple ways to understand passages that are orthodox. Eschatology is such an example: there are multiple ways of understanding the same eschatological passages, comparing Scripture with Scripture. However, Genesis is different. Walton is drawing a false equivalence because the origins question is never settled among the compromisers by an appeal to the text. Instead, it is almost invariably settled by appealing to something outside the text, usually either science or ancient near eastern literature. Scripture is thus subjected, and we might add subjugated, to outside sources. It is hardly surprising to see Walton doing this. His Lost World series of books consistently subjects Genesis (and other Old Testament books) to the literature of the ancient near east.3 However, the important thing to note in his argument is his statements about right and wrong. He believes that there is no “right” answer to the origins question, only the most probable one. In other words, the Bible is insufficient to address the origins question. We must instead make decisions on origins based on “preponderance of the evidence.”
Unfortunately, Walton is just wrong Scripturally. Second Peter 1:20 tells us that there is only one correct interpretation of Scripture in context. Some issues can be viewed differently when comparing Scripture with Scripture, but since Walton does not build his case on Scripture, he cannot argue the origins issue is one of these issues. There is a right answer to origins. Since that is the case, it behooves us to determine what it is and then defend it.
Walton does recognize at the end of his article that there are absolute rights and wrongs but then undercuts the claim: “Ultimately, it is true that one view is right and others are wrong, but such absolute vision is not always available.”8 What Walton does not say, or perhaps is unwilling to accept, is that we do have absolute vision on the origins question. The Bible tells us specifically what God did, how he did it, and how long it took—and it is incompatible with any other interpretation out there that invokes an old earth and death before sin. So incompatible, in fact, that it undermines the central theme of Scripture and Christianity itself: the gospel message of Adam’s sin causing death, separation from God, and a groaning creation, all of which only the second Adam can fix. These questions are not up for debate unless you are willing to undermine biblical authority—and ultimately the gospel. The origins question has a right answer, and the Bible tells us exactly what that answer is. God created everything in six literal twenty-four hour days and rested the seventh day roughly six thousand years ago.

Answers in Genesis.
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There are stars that are more than 7 thousand light years away. If the Earth is only 6000 years old how would we see the light from them? Unless we're going down the path that stars aren't real and the Earth is flat then yeah there's no way to reconcile that.
@MrBlueGuy

Well if god can create Adam as an adult then he can create starlight partway through its journey to earth.
The answer is magic which is fine as far as it goes but young earther's shouldn't pretend that science supports them.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Pikachu [quote]Well if god can create Adam as an adult then he can create starlight partway through its journey to earth. The answer is magic which is fine as far as it goes but young earther's shouldn't pretend that science supports them.[/quote]

God doesn't do things part way.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 That comment was a joke, wasn't it? Please tell me it was.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Bushranger [quote]That comment was a joke, wasn't it? Please tell me it was.[/quote]

Why?
@GodSpeed63 Because you are literally, legitimately suggesting that God placed each individual photon from each star in the entire universe in such a way that it would reach Earth at a specific time. That makes no sense to do, even for an omnipotent being.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@LordShadowfire [quote]Because you are literally, legitimately suggesting that God placed each individual photon from each star in the entire universe in such a way that it would reach Earth at a specific time. [/quote]

That is true whether it makes sense to you or not.
@GodSpeed63 It is a stupid use of his time.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@LordShadowfire [quote] It is a stupid use of his time.[/quote]

Why is that?
@GodSpeed63 Seriously? Placing googolplexes of photons just so in order to make it seem the universe is far older than it is? For what purpose? Deceit?
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@LordShadowfire Just like putting fossils in order just so he can fool us, lol.
@Bushranger So basically, Yahweh is the real father of lies.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@LordShadowfire Seems that way. Otherwise we'd see a young universe and stars a lot closer than they are now.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 Just for clarity, do you agree that stars are light years away? And that the speed of light is roughly 300,000kms per second?

(Edited to correct speed)
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Bushranger [quote]Just for clarity, do you agree that stars are light years away? And that the speed of light is roughly 300,000kms per second?[/quote]

Yes, and I believe in the One who created them and set them in motion.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 Do you accept that other galaxies exist, with the closest around 25,000 light years away?
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Bushranger [quote]Do you accept that other galaxies exist, with the closest around 25,000 light years away?[/quote]

With God, all things are possible.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 I take it that's a yes, then. So if we can see a galaxy that is 25,000 light years away, it means the light has been travelling for 25,000 years. Certainly longer than your belief that everything is only 6,000 years old.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Bushranger [quote]I take it that's a yes, then.[/quote]

You're learning, Bushranger.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 Certainly not from you
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Bushranger [quote]Certainly not from you[/quote]

It doesn't matter, as long as you're learning the truth.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@GodSpeed63 Actually, there is something I've learnt from you. I've learnt you have no idea what you are talking about.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Bushranger [quote]I've learnt you have no idea what you are talking about.[/quote]

Funny, that's what you've taught me about yourself, Bushranger. You have no idea of what you are talking about. You've demonstrated it time and again.
@GodSpeed63 We have all watched you make claim after claim without backing any of them up. You are the last person who should be talking about @Bushranger like that.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@LordShadowfire He's got nothing to back his claims up with.
@Bushranger Not true. He has circular reasoning, straw men, and ad hominem attacks.