Could Nothing Create A Book? [Spirituality & Religion]
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GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Pikachu [quote]explain for the good people why I'm a coward. GO ON![/quote]
Because you act like one. Always trying discredit me when you discredit yourself. You not only lie to others but you lie to yourself also by acting like some big shot who knows everything when you don't. Shall go on?
Because you act like one. Always trying discredit me when you discredit yourself. You not only lie to others but you lie to yourself also by acting like some big shot who knows everything when you don't. Shall go on?
Bushranger · 70-79, M
It seems that there is a bit of a problem in this thread with the definition of words. Perhaps, for the sake of clarity, we should stick with the dictionary definition. Would save a lot of misunderstanding. So, a Christian is [quote]A person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Christianity.[/quote]
and religion is [quote]The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.[/quote]
Now, unless I am mistaken, these definitions are accepted by the majority of people in the English speaking world. Oh, and they come from the Oxford Online Dictionary, a pretty good source I think. I could have looked up my Macquarie Dictionary, but that's a hard copy and a bit hard to share. I hope this will clear up the misunderstandings in this thread.
and religion is [quote]The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.[/quote]
Now, unless I am mistaken, these definitions are accepted by the majority of people in the English speaking world. Oh, and they come from the Oxford Online Dictionary, a pretty good source I think. I could have looked up my Macquarie Dictionary, but that's a hard copy and a bit hard to share. I hope this will clear up the misunderstandings in this thread.
BlueVeins · 22-25
[quote]Do you think this book happened by accident, that nothing produced the colors in this book [...] Obviously, intelligent design designed the book.
What is DNA?[/quote]
The difference between a picture book and DNA, in the specific context of this discussion, is that DNA has been known to arise through natural processes, whereas books have not. We can see DNA replication in action, we can see DNA mutation in action, and we can see other things, like genetic material of two different organisms combining.
We don't know that picture books are intelligently designed because they're complicated-- indeed, many things, most languages for an example, are complicated, functional, and still natural in origin as opposed to designed. We know that books are designed because there's no evidence of one coming about naturally, and there's lots of evidence for books being written.
What is DNA?[/quote]
The difference between a picture book and DNA, in the specific context of this discussion, is that DNA has been known to arise through natural processes, whereas books have not. We can see DNA replication in action, we can see DNA mutation in action, and we can see other things, like genetic material of two different organisms combining.
We don't know that picture books are intelligently designed because they're complicated-- indeed, many things, most languages for an example, are complicated, functional, and still natural in origin as opposed to designed. We know that books are designed because there's no evidence of one coming about naturally, and there's lots of evidence for books being written.
Just the opposite. We know the illustration books you are referring to, are intellectually designed [b]because[/b] they are complicated. Same with the intricacy of DNA. DNA wouldn’t even exist without intelligent design. It is far too complicated. It didn’t just make itself. Darwin attempted to explain the origin of new living forms starting from simpler pre-existing forms of life, but his theory of evolution by natural selection did not even attempt to explain the origin of life — the simplest living cell — in the first place. Yet there is now compelling evidence of intelligent design in the inner recesses of even the simplest living one-celled organisms. Moreover, there is a key feature of living cells — one that makes the intelligent design of life detectable — that Darwin didn’t know about and that contemporary evolutionary theorists have not explained away.
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@BlueVeins You still didn’t address this:
No. I’m not allergic to evidence. I have all the evidence I need. I don’t have to guess if there is a God. I’ve experienced Him, and my experience doesn’t need anyone’s approval to be true. No one can undermine my personal experience just because they have not experienced God. The proof being the Holy Spirit who lives in each believer, upon accepting Jesus as their personal Savior. The Holy Spirit is what transforms lives, like He did me and thousands of others. His job is also to teach and guide the believer, and there’s no way one can experience that until they have been born-again. Nor will they ever understand it until they are born-again. I haven’t dedicated 45 years of my life to someone I’m not sure exists. I know He exists. He lives in my heart and life.
The determining factor of one's authentic faith relationship with God is not one's denomination, religious practice or performance in Christian disciplines, but rather the presence of the indwelling Spirit of Christ, upon confession of faith. As it is written, “if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. (Rom.8:9) Jesus' invitation always stands open for anyone to receive forgiveness, be welcomed into his family, and live eternally in heaven.
No. I’m not allergic to evidence. I have all the evidence I need. I don’t have to guess if there is a God. I’ve experienced Him, and my experience doesn’t need anyone’s approval to be true. No one can undermine my personal experience just because they have not experienced God. The proof being the Holy Spirit who lives in each believer, upon accepting Jesus as their personal Savior. The Holy Spirit is what transforms lives, like He did me and thousands of others. His job is also to teach and guide the believer, and there’s no way one can experience that until they have been born-again. Nor will they ever understand it until they are born-again. I haven’t dedicated 45 years of my life to someone I’m not sure exists. I know He exists. He lives in my heart and life.
The determining factor of one's authentic faith relationship with God is not one's denomination, religious practice or performance in Christian disciplines, but rather the presence of the indwelling Spirit of Christ, upon confession of faith. As it is written, “if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. (Rom.8:9) Jesus' invitation always stands open for anyone to receive forgiveness, be welcomed into his family, and live eternally in heaven.
@BlueVeins God doesn’t think anything like we do. He is so much smarter and wiser than man. That’s why we cannot rely on our own limited, flawed reasoning in trying to figure Him out. All you can do is guess, because you have hardened your heart against God and His existence. When you seek Him with all your heart and mind, He will reveal Himself to you, like He did me. I’m not guessing. I know He exists. I told you why. Man, in his flawed reasoning, demands, “Show me you’re real, God, and then Ill believe!” No. That’s backwards. God says, “Believe, and [u]then[/u] I’ll show you.” We don’t disrespect God and demand things from Him. He’s not some cosmic genie, here to serve at our every beck and call. Where does man get the nerve to treat Him like that. We don’t set the standards...God does.
I put no trust in mere leaders or scientists. No human can save us. Put no trust in man. When he dies, his body will turn to dust, just like everyone else’s. And on that day, his plans will end. His power will end. Man cannot even save himself. Only God can do that. That Bible is right. “The fool says in his heart, there is no God.”
I put no trust in mere leaders or scientists. No human can save us. Put no trust in man. When he dies, his body will turn to dust, just like everyone else’s. And on that day, his plans will end. His power will end. Man cannot even save himself. Only God can do that. That Bible is right. “The fool says in his heart, there is no God.”
BlueVeins · 22-25
@LadyGrace [quote]Lack of evidence isn't evidence of nonexistence, although God left us plenty of evidence. People just don't want to see it. Let’s see you produce conclusive and undeniable evidence for the non-existence of God.[/quote]
Absence of evidence can be evidence of absence in some situations, just not all. If someone tells you there's a full-grown elephant in your bedroom, and you look in your bedroom and don't find an elephant, that probably means there wasn't a full-grown elephant in your bedroom.
Likewise, if someone tells you the universe is full of an interventionist god who created everything in a week and is constantly looking out for everyone, but there's no reliable evidence whatsoever that he even exists, that's pretty good reason to believe that that god isn't there.
But evidence that he doesn't exist? Assuming you're talking about the god of the Bible, I can name a few off the top of my head. There's ample geological evidence of stuff existing long before 6,000 years ago (See Uranium-lead dating), the Exodus story archeologically did not happen, Noah's Flood would have killed all plant life and most marine life if it actually occured, the Tower of Babel story is inconsistant with our contemporary knowledge of language formation and exploration.
There's also the Problem of Evil, if you're willing to do a bit of research. That's always a fun one.
[quote]The Holy Spirit is what transforms lives, like He did me and thousands of others. His job is also to teach and guide the believer, and there’s no way one can experience that until they have been born-again. Nor will they ever understand it until they are born-again. I haven’t dedicated 45 years of my life to someone I’m not sure exists. I know He exists. He lives in my heart and life.[/quote]
That's all fun and games, but people have experienced the same phenomenon to all kinds of gods of all kinds of religions. Many of the Pagans prefered to burn at the stake rather than convert, and many Native Americans have died by the musket for the same reason. Muslims suffer for their beliefs, and often report miracles of Muhammad, with all the fervor and passion of a Christian. Fuck, have you seen some of the temples other cultures have built?
My point is, something doesn't have to be real in order to feel real.
[quote]He is so much smarter and wiser than man. That’s why we cannot rely on our own limited, flawed reasoning in trying to figure Him out.[/quote]
Then that god is stupid for creating an illogical species and expecting it to understand things that are fundamentally beyond his grasp, but go on.
[quote]When you seek Him with all your heart and mind, He will reveal Himself to you, like He did me. [/quote]
I actually have done that before, and I'm still open to evidence. When I was a Christian, I eventually left becuase I couldn't justify believing something that was so obviously false, and I've just yet to find any evidence that isn't absolute sophistry.
Absence of evidence can be evidence of absence in some situations, just not all. If someone tells you there's a full-grown elephant in your bedroom, and you look in your bedroom and don't find an elephant, that probably means there wasn't a full-grown elephant in your bedroom.
Likewise, if someone tells you the universe is full of an interventionist god who created everything in a week and is constantly looking out for everyone, but there's no reliable evidence whatsoever that he even exists, that's pretty good reason to believe that that god isn't there.
But evidence that he doesn't exist? Assuming you're talking about the god of the Bible, I can name a few off the top of my head. There's ample geological evidence of stuff existing long before 6,000 years ago (See Uranium-lead dating), the Exodus story archeologically did not happen, Noah's Flood would have killed all plant life and most marine life if it actually occured, the Tower of Babel story is inconsistant with our contemporary knowledge of language formation and exploration.
There's also the Problem of Evil, if you're willing to do a bit of research. That's always a fun one.
[quote]The Holy Spirit is what transforms lives, like He did me and thousands of others. His job is also to teach and guide the believer, and there’s no way one can experience that until they have been born-again. Nor will they ever understand it until they are born-again. I haven’t dedicated 45 years of my life to someone I’m not sure exists. I know He exists. He lives in my heart and life.[/quote]
That's all fun and games, but people have experienced the same phenomenon to all kinds of gods of all kinds of religions. Many of the Pagans prefered to burn at the stake rather than convert, and many Native Americans have died by the musket for the same reason. Muslims suffer for their beliefs, and often report miracles of Muhammad, with all the fervor and passion of a Christian. Fuck, have you seen some of the temples other cultures have built?
My point is, something doesn't have to be real in order to feel real.
[quote]He is so much smarter and wiser than man. That’s why we cannot rely on our own limited, flawed reasoning in trying to figure Him out.[/quote]
Then that god is stupid for creating an illogical species and expecting it to understand things that are fundamentally beyond his grasp, but go on.
[quote]When you seek Him with all your heart and mind, He will reveal Himself to you, like He did me. [/quote]
I actually have done that before, and I'm still open to evidence. When I was a Christian, I eventually left becuase I couldn't justify believing something that was so obviously false, and I've just yet to find any evidence that isn't absolute sophistry.
But we know that DNA doesn't need someone to write it out each time. It can self-replicate.
Never seen a book do that. So right away we can see where this analogy defeats itself. There is a known mechanism by which DNA can be produced and therefore a potential way it could have started and grown in complexity.
So what compelling reason then do we have to suggest a god did it?
You follow? A book cannot write itself and it cannot create copies of itself but we can see that DNA [i]can[/i].
Argument refuted.
Never seen a book do that. So right away we can see where this analogy defeats itself. There is a known mechanism by which DNA can be produced and therefore a potential way it could have started and grown in complexity.
So what compelling reason then do we have to suggest a god did it?
You follow? A book cannot write itself and it cannot create copies of itself but we can see that DNA [i]can[/i].
Argument refuted.
My dude, all joking aside. Before you post these things do you think about them and try to think of where they may be flawed?
Or do you uncritically accept them because they agree with your worldview?
I suggest you pray upon whether that is an intellectually valid way to approach the pursuit of truth.
Or do you uncritically accept them because they agree with your worldview?
I suggest you pray upon whether that is an intellectually valid way to approach the pursuit of truth.
Yes. Man is so smart, yet he cannot even save himself. He dies and turns to dust, whether he likes it or not. He cannot even control that, but there’s one thing he [b]can[/b] control, and that is the destination of his own soul when he dies, IF he repents now and asks for forgiveness of his sins, so he can have fellowship with his Heavenly Father. The reason Jesus told us that HE is the only way to heaven, is because it is only through Jesus, the son of God, that we can have access to his Father in Heaven. Jesus is the only Mediator between God and man.
Bottom line - The truth will eventually prove itself.
Love that video. So true. Thanks for sharing it.
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CharlieZ · 70-79, M
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