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Because He won’t be treated disrespectfully, then demanded to perform by people who don’t know Him, yet mock and deny Him, then have the odasity to treat him like some side-show Houdini, or cosmic genie, asking for favors and miracles. God will not be mocked. God sets the standard. Not us. Who are we to question such a great God? People want everything from God, yet want to give nothing in return. Some say they’re smarter and wiser than God. God calls these, fools, and rightly so.
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BlueVeins · 22-25
@Miram
[quote]Not all Christians believe the Christian god meant our units of measurement. You will always find those who believe çhrist is god but not all texts to be authentic.[/quote]
Yes, those are the old-Earth creationist and non-Biblical gods, respectively. I never claimed to able to prove that [i]all gods[/i] don't exist, just some, which I did. Here it is again:
[quote]Depends on both the specific god and the standard of evidence applied.[/quote]
Frankly, it's impossible to prove an entirely undefined item; I can't prove that there's not an elephant on top of the Washington Monument without at least some qualifiers as to the nature of that elephant and the burden of proof applied. Frankly, saying that I can't prove that there is no god without first defining what a god is is basically meaningless.
[quote]I am an anti theist but i don't take my activism where it doesn't belong.[/quote]
How do you determine where your activism does and doesn't belong? What's so special about this site that it should be exempt from criticism of religion?
[quote]Just because in some cases feeling good comes with other negative behaviour, doesn't mean it applies to everyone.[/quote]
But even without taking over every single believer, religious regressivism and hate is still incredibly corrosive. Shit, only between 4 and 5 hundred million Muslims support the death penalty for apostacy, but apostacy is still punishable by death in several Muslim-majority countries. Acting like a problem isn't harmful because it isn't universal is crazy. You wouldn't argue against vaccination because measles don't harm all of their patients, right?
[quote]This whole thing bothers me a great deal because I have known some that draw no ethical boundaries as long as the goal to win an argument from pictures of starving kids to those who have cancer[/quote]
OK, but that's not really relevant to this conversation. I'm not exploiting anyone; nobody is harmed by me bringing up this perfectly legitimate point against certain varieties of religion.
[quote]Not all Christians believe the Christian god meant our units of measurement. You will always find those who believe çhrist is god but not all texts to be authentic.[/quote]
Yes, those are the old-Earth creationist and non-Biblical gods, respectively. I never claimed to able to prove that [i]all gods[/i] don't exist, just some, which I did. Here it is again:
[quote]Depends on both the specific god and the standard of evidence applied.[/quote]
Frankly, it's impossible to prove an entirely undefined item; I can't prove that there's not an elephant on top of the Washington Monument without at least some qualifiers as to the nature of that elephant and the burden of proof applied. Frankly, saying that I can't prove that there is no god without first defining what a god is is basically meaningless.
[quote]I am an anti theist but i don't take my activism where it doesn't belong.[/quote]
How do you determine where your activism does and doesn't belong? What's so special about this site that it should be exempt from criticism of religion?
[quote]Just because in some cases feeling good comes with other negative behaviour, doesn't mean it applies to everyone.[/quote]
But even without taking over every single believer, religious regressivism and hate is still incredibly corrosive. Shit, only between 4 and 5 hundred million Muslims support the death penalty for apostacy, but apostacy is still punishable by death in several Muslim-majority countries. Acting like a problem isn't harmful because it isn't universal is crazy. You wouldn't argue against vaccination because measles don't harm all of their patients, right?
[quote]This whole thing bothers me a great deal because I have known some that draw no ethical boundaries as long as the goal to win an argument from pictures of starving kids to those who have cancer[/quote]
OK, but that's not really relevant to this conversation. I'm not exploiting anyone; nobody is harmed by me bringing up this perfectly legitimate point against certain varieties of religion.
Miram · 31-35, F
@BlueVeins Since you quoted me it's natural that I'd assume you meant god in general, assumed my meaning besides religious stance instead of anti-religious.
Acting like it is harmful in every case because in some other country apostasy is punishable by death, or for the belief of some other person is just as crazy as ignoring all the flaws and the cases where it needs to be abolished entirely or modified positively.
They are both generalisations.
My activism doesn't belong in my profession places unless there is abuse, it doesn't belong if a harmless person doesn't care to discuss their faith, and it should not use those who are already in pain because simply there are plenty of arguments that can be made without being insensitive to those reading the discourse or engaging..etc
I think someone who is in pain benefits from my actions more than my words. I can better lead by example.
Someone who is causing pain through religion will probably face both and more.
Keeping compassion present is the best way.
I am sure your intentions were good. Looking in your profile you don't seem to be the kind I had at mind.
You can criticize religion in this website. I do it myself.
Acting like it is harmful in every case because in some other country apostasy is punishable by death, or for the belief of some other person is just as crazy as ignoring all the flaws and the cases where it needs to be abolished entirely or modified positively.
They are both generalisations.
My activism doesn't belong in my profession places unless there is abuse, it doesn't belong if a harmless person doesn't care to discuss their faith, and it should not use those who are already in pain because simply there are plenty of arguments that can be made without being insensitive to those reading the discourse or engaging..etc
I think someone who is in pain benefits from my actions more than my words. I can better lead by example.
Someone who is causing pain through religion will probably face both and more.
Keeping compassion present is the best way.
I am sure your intentions were good. Looking in your profile you don't seem to be the kind I had at mind.
You can criticize religion in this website. I do it myself.
BlueVeins · 22-25
[quote]They are both generalisations.[/quote]
Same goes for anything alleged benefit of religion. I don't see how that's any different.
[quote]My activism doesn't belong in my profession places unless there is abuse,[/quote]
Agreed.
[quote]it doesn't belong if a harmless person doesn't care to discuss their faith,[/quote]
Agreed. Nobody has to respond to this post.
[quote]and it should not use those who are already in pain because simply there are plenty of arguments that can be made without being insensitive to those reading the discourse or engaging..etc[/quote]
There's nothing insensitive about it. Pointing out that the god who supposedly heals the deaf and the blame conspicuously doesn't heal amputees doesn't have any negative implications about the victims of those problems. If anything, it's empathetic to their plight.
[quote]Someone who is causing pain through religion will probably face both and more.[/quote]
I agree, to an extent. I just don't see what's good about that. When someone hurts others and gets hurt in the process of trying to do the right thing, I consider that a tragedy. I also, by the way, believe your intentions are good. I just don't see the merit of the point you're trying to make.
Same goes for anything alleged benefit of religion. I don't see how that's any different.
[quote]My activism doesn't belong in my profession places unless there is abuse,[/quote]
Agreed.
[quote]it doesn't belong if a harmless person doesn't care to discuss their faith,[/quote]
Agreed. Nobody has to respond to this post.
[quote]and it should not use those who are already in pain because simply there are plenty of arguments that can be made without being insensitive to those reading the discourse or engaging..etc[/quote]
There's nothing insensitive about it. Pointing out that the god who supposedly heals the deaf and the blame conspicuously doesn't heal amputees doesn't have any negative implications about the victims of those problems. If anything, it's empathetic to their plight.
[quote]Someone who is causing pain through religion will probably face both and more.[/quote]
I agree, to an extent. I just don't see what's good about that. When someone hurts others and gets hurt in the process of trying to do the right thing, I consider that a tragedy. I also, by the way, believe your intentions are good. I just don't see the merit of the point you're trying to make.
Why would you ask a question about someone you admittedly don’t believe in?
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Because that would be indisputable proof of his existence, and we can't have that.