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Rap, Rock'n roll - Music?

I hope it's OK to start my post by quoting others from a different thread.

@Jimmy2016 [quote]Rap isn't music [/quote]@bijouxbroussard [quote]Old people originally said that about rock and roll, too.[/quote]

They (we!) were right about a lot of it and still are 馃榾. Some of it doesn't seem so bad in hindsight because now there's a lot of stuff that's so much worse. Depends a bit on how you define Rock & Roll, or even just 'music'.

Although it could be music that you like, it's very often spoiled by the sound board guy or engineers who think you need to have the bass & percussion instruments louder than all else; and that what used to be called a singer's accompaniment should be the main event, so the instrumentals get super-amped and the vocalist is partly drowned out with lyrics mostly lost.

Music can have melody, harmony and disharmony, simplicity or complexity, beat; variations in rhythm & volume. It can be calming, exciting or inspiring. It can have a message too. I suppose 'rap' is meant to have a message but I can seldom make it out. If it has none of those other attributes I think calling it music is preposterous.
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Zonuss41-45, M
Hip hop is a culture. Rap is a form of music created from hip hop. Yes it's popular. It's rebellion poetry about urban life. Rock n roll is no different. But rock is dead now. Long live hip hop. 馃檪
Really80-89, M
@Zonuss I can understand rebellion against some urban environments. Not living in one I have no need to rebel. I don't consider raucus, angry, largely unintelligible scattershot ranting o be 'music'. You're welcome to it but I find most of it unlisten-able.

Do you believe rap is doing anything to improve the environments you it's supposedly rebelling against?