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Why do people think Muslims don't condemn terror attacks?

There are countless examples from countless sources. Its all on the internet if you Google it. The conclusion I have to draw is that some people do not want to.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3642273/manchester-muslim-community-joins-faith-leaders-to-condemn-cowardly-terror-attack/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2017/mar/26/muslims-condemn-terrorism-stats

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/vigil-manchester-muslims-st-anns-13086343

I have also done a long post, which explains my take on the cultural/political misconceptions which people have about the UK Muslim community:

https://similarworlds.com/18-Politics/853570-The-tragedy-of-the-Manchester-bombing-and-its

If you read my post and have a reasonable argument against then I will respect that. If you won't deal with my arguments, post a cherry-picked Qu'ran verse from Breitbart and claim that it shows all Muslims support terrorism; I will have no respect for you and I will ignore you because I'm done debating this for now.

Goodnight people.
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Exactly. I find it frustrating hearing this repetitive excuse, especially when all i see is muslims, including myself speaking against it. Though, even when you do speak against it. (Like i have on here many times) i still get backlash for even bringing it up. It's tiring and just ignorant.

SugarRush · 31-35, F
Oh and I would just like to add that I am fed up of Muslims feeling as though they owe people an apology for having faith. They were not the individual with a bomb strapped to them. They were not the ones flying planes into buildings. This week many Muslims were affected by the bombing also, they could have died, lost people they knew - Manchester is their home too and if the arse hole who bullied me in a post yesterday reads this, YES I would rather live next door to a Muslim family than a racist moron. That is all 😊
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@AutumnxRayne: I once lived in Manchester as a student. Great city.
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This made me smile. Thank you. It's always reassuring to see that not everyone is blinded with fear and ignorance.
SugarRush · 31-35, F
@HijabbaDabbaDoo: I don't know anywhere else that can have a Muslim, a Christian, a Jew and an atheist stood hand in hand together. If we can do it, anything is possible. And yes I appreciate that we're not always one big happy family but there's a huge difference between having differences and blowing children up.
Cierzo · M
For good or bad, Islam is a decentralized religion. There is not an authority like the Pope that represents all of then.

So the attitude of a local Muslim community depends a lot from the ideas they get from a local imam. So certain local Muslim communities with more open-minded imams have made statements against terrorism.

What I see in general is that the number of imams whose message to his community is 'remember you are Muslims in the first place, and you are different from the decadent western world' is rising. Even in the small city where I live I have noticed that the number of girls wearing the scarf is much bigger now since a new imam came. Nothing worrying, of course, but a sign of what the trend is.

So one can be lucky and have a reasonable imam in his community, or a more radical one filling heads with crap. And there does not seem to be a way to join those communities with not radical imams to make marches or activities showing that Islam as a whole is against Islamic terrorism. Or some scholar, artist or respected person of any kind for Muslims worldwide speaking out loud and clear.

One can see condemning declarstions, true. Also thousands of twitter and FB profiles with Jihadi content, despite the fact that a couple of years ago more than 10.000 were deleted. There is a trend towards radicalism that cannot be ignored.

One can never know who you are dealing with. All dogs (just an analogy) are not violent, but when you cannot be sure how the dog you have in front of you will react, better refrain from touching it. If you want to call dogphobia, ok. I call it self-preservation.
Cierzo · M
@Northwest: And how can some custom official know who is a Muslim and who is not? Religion does not appear on passports
Northwest · M
@Cierzo: [quote]And how can some custom official know who is a Muslim and who is not? Religion does not appear on passports[/quote]

Please tell me you're not that naive. US customs officials have been given free hand to harass as they please in the name of national security.

Reminds of me of this old joke, when you're waiting to board your flight, and someone walks up to the crowd and says "John, Mary, Joseph, you're free to proceed to your flight. Mohammad, Ali, and Hassan, you've been pre-selected for a totally random security check".
Cierzo · M
@Northwest: American customs officials have always had an awful reputation, with Muslims and not.
voodoo1970 · 51-55, M
Basically scared people just look for someone to blame for their fear. They choose someone different (race, religion etc) because to blame someone of the same race/religion/country might mean they themselves are somehow to blame.
The nazis blamed the jews (as did a lot of others). White Americans blame black people or Mexicans or Asians. We have a politician here who is on the anti-Muslim bandwagon using identical language to when she was on the anti-Asian bandwagon 20 years ago.
You summed it up un your first paragraph. Some people don't want to. It's easier to blame others than face reality and make an effort.
SugarRush · 31-35, F
http://www.arabnews.com/node/1103936/saudi-arabia

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/39392442

I find it very ignorant that people tar others with the same brush. I have spoken out recently as a Mancunian how I feel about recent events and apparently I am "promoting terrorism". Despite the backlash I will repeat here my thoughts and opinions.. that Isis are not Muslim, they are cowards who hide behind the name of a religion to do unspeakable and barbaric things - like the KKK.
Every Muslim I have met, has been quiet and reserved yet respectful and open. It was a Muslim consultant who stayed behind two hours after his shift to help me deliver my daughter and save my life. It is a Muslim doctor I see every time I go to the surgery. It is a Muslim woman who kindly explained to me why her hijab is important to her. And with all this the difference I and others have compared to some is the fact that we educate ourselves and don't listen to crap that we read in the papers.
SugarRush · 31-35, F
@Burnley123: sorry if I went off on a tangent but all this .. them/us, it's like we're knee high and back at school. This is people's lives, it's happening all over the world and why?? What is anyone gaining from this.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@AutumnxRayne: I do think that certain political interests benefit from creating fear, unfortunately.
SugarRush · 31-35, F
@Burnley123: I think it is like everything in life.. people at the top of the food chain stay safe and eat first, the rest of us have to suffer the consequences.
Northwest · M
[quote]Why do people think Muslims don't condemn terror attacks?[/quote]

It's a myth, propagated by 1) xenophobes, 2) ignorant people, and 3) those who rely on a single source for information.

Even pre-ISIS, we Americans, showed how ignorant we are, when nearly half of us opposed a candidate/President (Obama), because rumors spread that he was Muslim (our current President helped spread those rumors).

Even a well-intended mainstream Republican candidate, like John McMcain, in response to an older woman who asked why we should put a Muslim in the White House, instead of saying "his religion does not matter", his response was 'No ma'am, I know him, it's not true, he's a good man'.
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[c=#7700B2]Very good point. "Muslims don't condemn terror attacks" has just become one of these things that people repeat without actually looking into.[/c]
Flenflyys · 31-35, F
A lot of Muslims do. But there are others still who blame terror attacks on things like colonization, taking things out of context, wars in the Middle East, etc. To justify the attacks. You can't condemn an attack but justify it at the same time. One girl on here has done it multiple times.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Flenflyys: This is a reasonable point so I will deal with it.

I guess it depends whether the person in question was using that as a justification for terrorism or whether they were using it as an explanation as to why terrorism is created. There is a difference between the two. For example if you think that poverty and availability of guns explains America's high murder rate, are you condoning murder?

My own view is that it a mixture of economic, political, cultural and religious factors that create terrorism. Also individual choice.

The majority Muslim population do condemn terror though and that is the point I want to make here.
Flenflyys · 31-35, F
Of course. And there are people who irrationally hate Muslims for no reason but I feel like they are in the minority. Just like there is a minority of Muslims who justify terrorism. But in general I've found Muslims to be among the least tolerant groups of people. Christians also, shockingly enough.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Flenflyys: I am an athiest/agnostic. I think it is fair and good to have criticisms of religion but its the unfair criticism that some people do which I don't like. These people are being stigmatised. Not by you of course.
SmartKat · 56-60, F
To believe that all Muslims are alike is like believing all Christians are alike, or all Buddhists, or all Hindus.

You can't pigeonhole people that way.
Penny · 46-50, F
probably people don't care that much because Islam is such a backwards and f-ed up religion. so what if a few non-terrorist Muslims who follow the Koran but not the orders to hate and kill speak against terrorism? they are still "Muslims" who follow a backwards and f-ed up religion. which makes them two things - foolish and not to be trusted.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@dianeO: The majority of Muslims are not terrorists. Saying you hate religion is different to saying that followers are terrorists.
Penny · 46-50, F
@Burnley123: yes yes this is what everyone is saying-Muslims aren't all terrorists that is quite understood. i'm not sure what you are trying to get at with that second statement. all i'd like to say is that just because you hate Islam doesn't mean you hate all Muslims.
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Because it conflicts with the narrative they have in their head. People will always selectively process information, and part of that selection process is omitting information that doesn't fit with preconceived notions
coolboy86 · 36-40, M
if the death of one innocent is so wrong to them how in the world could muslims have done 9/11
Northwest · M
@coolboy86: If turning the other cheek, and loving one's enemy are at the very core of Christianity, how can one be a Christian and wage war, or believe in the death penalty? Armies even have their own Chaplin.
Ignorance. It's an excuse to hate and dismiss an entire group of people, rather sort through to some warped individuals.
So you can find countless examples that can fill a Google search. Is the per capita amount of condemnation countless?
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP: How do you know they look the other way?
@Burnley123: same way you know white guys do
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP: I don't think either do and that is my point.
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