Why do people think Muslims don't condemn terror attacks?

There are countless examples from countless sources. Its all on the internet if you Google it. The conclusion I have to draw is that some people do not want to.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3642273/manchester-muslim-community-joins-faith-leaders-to-condemn-cowardly-terror-attack/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2017/mar/26/muslims-condemn-terrorism-stats

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/vigil-manchester-muslims-st-anns-13086343

I have also done a long post, which explains my take on the cultural/political misconceptions which people have about the UK Muslim community:

https://similarworlds.com/18-Politics/853570-The-tragedy-of-the-Manchester-bombing-and-its

If you read my post and have a reasonable argument against then I will respect that. If you won't deal with my arguments, post a cherry-picked Qu'ran verse from Breitbart and claim that it shows all Muslims support terrorism; I will have no respect for you and I will ignore you because I'm done debating this for now.

Goodnight people.

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Cierzo · M

For good or bad, Islam is a decentralized religion. There is not an authority like the Pope that represents all of then.

So the attitude of a local Muslim community depends a lot from the ideas they get from a local imam. So certain local Muslim communities with more open-minded imams have made statements against terrorism.

What I see in general is that the number of imams whose message to his community is 'remember you are Muslims in the first place, and you are different from the decadent western world' is rising. Even in the small city where I live I have noticed that the number of girls wearing the scarf is much bigger now since a new imam came. Nothing worrying, of course, but a sign of what the trend is.

So one can be lucky and have a reasonable imam in his community, or a more radical one filling heads with crap. And there does not seem to be a way to join those communities with not radical imams to make marches or activities showing that Islam as a whole is against Islamic terrorism. Or some scholar, artist or respected person of any kind for Muslims worldwide speaking out loud and clear.

One can see condemning declarstions, true. Also thousands of twitter and FB profiles with Jihadi content, despite the fact that a couple of years ago more than 10.000 were deleted. There is a trend towards radicalism that cannot be ignored.

One can never know who you are dealing with. All dogs (just an analogy) are not violent, but when you cannot be sure how the dog you have in front of you will react, better refrain from touching it. If you want to call dogphobia, ok. I call it self-preservation.

Northwest · M

@Cierzo: [quote] There is a trend towards radicalism that cannot be ignored.[/quote]

That's a possibility, bur it's not limited to Islam. In the US, we have also become religiously polarized, and shifted away from a movement toward the religious center, to religious poles, with the religious right, dominating the electoral cycle, electing a President who promised a ban on Muslims.

Cierzo · M

@Northwest: Fifty million Americans are Christian fanatics? Can it be compared to attacks in the same week in Philippines, UK and just now in Egypt?

Northwest · M

@Cierzo: Fifty million Muslims carried out attacks in the Philippines, the UK and Egypt?

Cierzo · M

@Northwest: All those who voted Trump did it on the basis of Muslim ban?
Another broken promise, by the way. His ban was never a Muslim ban. Muslims from Indonesia or Saudi Arabia could have travelled to the US if it has passed, Christians from Syrian couldn't.

Northwest · M

@Cierzo: Not all voted on the basis of a Muslim ban, but the overwhelming majority did.

It's not true that Christians from Syria couldn't. The initial order, specifically made exemptions for Syria's and Iraq's Christians. It was modified in the second order.

[quote]His ban was never a Muslim ban[/quote]

Multiple US Courts and Judges disagree with you. The latest blow came yesterday, when the Fourth District Court, re-affirmed the blocking of the ban. Next step, probably the Supreme Court, but I suspect that venue will not be used, because President Trump has done a 180 on just about every single major xenophobic campaign pledge.

Cierzo · M

@Northwest: If I were Muslim,would that order banned me from entering the US? It wouldn't

Northwest · M

@Cierzo: Multiple Attorney Generals, including the one who represents my state (and I am damn proud of him), argued that the order gave wide authority to customs officials, to act as judge and jury.

As a matter of fact, when it was first implemented, and prior to it getting blocked by our legal systems, quite a few Muslims were banned from entering the US.

The order is now suspended, by order of our legal system, which is a separate branch, that the President apparently was not aware of, even though his own sister is a judge.

Cierzo · M

@Northwest: And how can some custom official know who is a Muslim and who is not? Religion does not appear on passports

Northwest · M

@Cierzo: [quote]And how can some custom official know who is a Muslim and who is not? Religion does not appear on passports[/quote]

Please tell me you're not that naive. US customs officials have been given free hand to harass as they please in the name of national security.

Reminds of me of this old joke, when you're waiting to board your flight, and someone walks up to the crowd and says "John, Mary, Joseph, you're free to proceed to your flight. Mohammad, Ali, and Hassan, you've been pre-selected for a totally random security check".

Cierzo · M

@Northwest: American customs officials have always had an awful reputation, with Muslims and not.