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Is pushing the Overton Window the most important thing you can do in politics?

By Overton Window, I mean the scope of things that can legitimately contested in mainstream political discourse. It's something that changes over time and is different in different countries.

As examples: openly suggesting a privately run healthcare system in my native UK would be seen as a radical right policy proposal and is out of bounds for even our Conservative Party. Richard Nixon tried to implement Universal Basic income in the 1960s. It failed but the fact that a Republican president could even suggest such a thing then indicates very different political opportunities in those times.

For a very long time it's been the political right who have been the best at stretching the Overton Window and a generation of left parties have (and still do in some ways) adopt a defensive posture of triangulation and compromise because they thought it necessary to win power. I'm thinking of Toby Blair and Bill Clinton here.

Another example of that would be Ed Miliband, who was the previous leader of the UK Labour Party. He began with somewhat radical promise but was then forced into compromise after compromise until his economic policies were little different to the governing Conservative Party, who he still lost to.

Under Jeremy Corbyn, Labour had a policy sheet which was moderate by historic standards but radical in today's UK. Though Labour still lost the last election, the vote share went up by 10% and Corbyn could reasonably claim to be the 'new mainstream'.

There are some obvious examples in American politics too. There is one reason why almost all Democratic Primary candidates claim to support single-payer healthcare and that reason is Bernie Sanders. He ran on it last time, it proved popular and it is now mainstream issue with the Democratic base. It's now within the Overton Window. AOC may get attacked for having policy proposals which are too far out there but the fact remains that a Green New Deal and a 70% top marginal tax rate are now being debated in mainstream American politics. If they are not viable options now, they could be in a few years and its all down to a young congresswoman for changing the conversation.

Obviously you can't always go on the offensive. Your proposals have to have some basis in popularity, at least with a section of the public. These examples do seem to show though that the left needs outliers and people who are prepared to go on the offensive. It's something which the right has long understood.
Bozette · F
The left has long understood and pushed the Overton Window. That's why some states here are allowing abortion right up to the moment of birth and a governor recently spoke of infanticide. It is why an 11-year old boy who recently danced in drag for dollars in a gay bar in Brooklyn has been featured on popular MSM shows. It is why kids referred for gender reassignment treatment in the UK is up more than 400% over the past 5 years. It is why people are being questioned, arrested, fined, and incarcerated for social media posts in the UK and other European countries. It is why Macron is wanting lifetime social media bans for those convicted. It is why a teen was recently demonized for smiling and people are sympathizing with a man charged with staging a fake hate crime.

Yes, the Overton Window is vital to any society, as it reflects what a society values...and what it does not.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Bozette I'm not actually a Macron fan and I don't consider him to be a leftist in any sense. In fact he's most certainly on the right when it comes to economic policy, hence the protests by the unions and the yellow vests. He's trying to move the the Overton window in a free-market direction in France.

Could you provide a source for people being incarcerated in the UK for social media posts? Like anywhere, we have free-speech restrictions on some things but it would have to be some seriously nasty shit to break the law, let alone go to prison.

Gender reassignment is something I have no problem with because its an issue of personal choice.
Bozette · F
I cannot consider Macron as being on the right given his stance on immigration. The Gilet Jaunes began their protesting over a carbon tax, if I am not mistaken. Macron is a globalist.

Here are a few articles.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-arresting-nine-people-a-day-in-fight-against-web-trolls-b8nkpgp2d

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-facebook-and-twitter-posts-soar-in-london-a7064246.html

https://www.dailywire.com/news/17807/british-police-just-imprisoned-man-posting-mean-joshua-yasmeh

There's also Count Dankula (Mark Meecham) who was arrested, convicted, and fined over a YT post that it's fair to say many, if not most, would find offensive...but free speech often is. And Tommy Robinson's contempt of court convictions, which while codified in your law are antithetical to free speech. Your country has also barred people from entry because they do not like what those people would [i]say[/i]. Certainly the UK has every right to bar anyone entry for any reason, but again, I don't find that conducive to free speech.

The law that people who view "terrorist" material online could face up to 15 years is concerning as well. Now I haven't read the actual wording of the law, but it is reported to include "far-right propaganda" and that concerns me, as what that includes may be arbitrary, and thus the definition is elastic if not clearly defined within the law. And why isn't "far-left propaganda" included?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/terrorist-propaganda-criminal-offence-new-law-amber-rudd-streaming-watching-extremist-material-isis-a7979986.html

Incarcerated isn't just going to prison, btw, it includes being detained, arrested, and/or jailed.

I have no issue with adults seeking gender reassignment treatment, but children...I do.
SmartKat · 56-60, F
This was a good post. You’re an intelligent political thinker.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@SmartKat Thanks. I've started doing blogging on Medium. I left it for a very long time but I did a blog price yesterday and my labour party friends said it was good.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@SmartKat I do make typos though. Its now edited. 😇
SW-User
Change is good. If it isn't broken, maybe it could be better.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@SW-User Broken things need fixing. Sometimes the left are OK with half a puncture cos if the tories have a full puncture then we are being sensible centrists.
They will just go to work on the kids in the brainwash sheds so they will be good little green deal comrades when it’s time for them to go into politics
Here in Oz.. the 2nd walkout is being planned. Liberal tree hugging teachers using kids as pawns.
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gol979 · 41-45, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout I doubt that as free market psychopathy, cult of self is the mainstay of the curriculum
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout They are teaching the kids scientific fact, like climate change.

Unintentionally, you have provided a great example of what I was talking about above. The right have to go against scientific logic as well as political logic to stretch the Overton window lol.
gol979 · 41-45, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout those tree hugging liberals.......making a stance over human accelerated climate change that 99% of climate scientists pretty !much agree will wipe out human life (not just humans but I thought I would try and appeal to your sense) if radical change isn't adopted.......what absolute tossers they are
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MethDozer · M
If that's what the citizenry wants and what they elected you for then yes. A politicians job is to be pushed by their electors, not the other way around.

 
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